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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg now on last week's

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episode of after the power cast which is

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part of our para cast plus Premium

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Package Chris was talking about sniffing

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underwear

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now after that show was broadcast and

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we're doing this stuff just a few days

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later I got a call from someone at

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Victoria's Secret and they wanted to

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know whether Chris O'Brien would like to

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apply for a job as an underwear sniffer

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I hear the sound of crickets

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it's real money man it wasn't my idea I

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thought Jacobs maybe would kind of fit

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the bill there I'm getting really really

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tired of that story and our forums have

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been filled with it so I'll just tell

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you one more development and leave it be

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okay dr. David Jacobs has put up a new

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site called Emma woods the real story

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and that's the domain by the way Emma

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Woods the real story com

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and that's where he presents the

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unadulterated recordings and transcripts

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of these sessions and the first three

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are about the multiple personality

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disorder session the chastity belt

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session and the underwear session and

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where he explains what the meaning

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behind that is and on the surface it

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sounds absurd but that's what it is but

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even more confusing in his introduction

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to the site he mentions there's yet

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another name for this contact the

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abductee that has been after him for the

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past few years

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emma woods now he referred to her once

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as Alice okay then he finally went with

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the crowd and said okay it's Emma woods

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and then he reveals in this introduction

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on Emma woods the real story that she

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was first referred to as Heidi but Chris

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is thinking of this too I was thinking

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of the lyrics to an old song from the

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60s

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her name was McGill and she called

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herself Lille

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but everyone knew her as Nancy no Jean I

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actually wasn't thinking that but I was

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thinking that he's so bored and sick and

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tired of hearing of this nonsense yeah I

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just I'm so over it you know I thought

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we'd have the guy on and he'd tell us

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you know his outlandish theory that hue

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grids are taking over the planet but

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they need help I just thought it was you

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know good entertainment but boy did that

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sure backfire Jean and then I get

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accused of being of dogging him

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badgering him

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you know and I just wanted to get my

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point across that you know in order to

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find out new information about anything

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that has to do with the paranormal you

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need to get hard data and I don't know

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it's probably not politically correct to

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ask a complete stranger to send their

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underwear to you I could I could see

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where that could erupt into a

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controversy but you know at the same

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time I think it's important to note that

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some sort of DNA evidence would go a

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long way into you know ascertaining the

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reality of a particular scenario I mean

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when I went out on cattle mutilation

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cases I would take chunks of flesh and

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plant and soil samples and send it in to

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try to determine if there are any

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energetic properties that were unusual

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or you know some sort of residual effect

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from the actual disfigurement process

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but that's an animal when you're dealing

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with people you have to be a little bit

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more I think you have to cover your ass

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a little better and be be careful and

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unfortunately you know he wasn't

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obviously I mean this is stuck to him

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like a lamprey or a leech I remember the

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story of John Mack being punked by

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outsiders who came in to debunk him and

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unbeknownst to him were setting him up

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when when the alleged you know hoaxer

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abductee mentioned that she was on board

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the what was it a destroyer in the

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Atlantic where there was a secret

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during the Cuban Missile Crisis and I

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lap or something and John Mack got so

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excited I think he fell off the chair

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I forget the story but it comes with the

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territory it doesn't matter if you're a

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Harvard professor or a temple professor

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there's people out there that'll take

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you down I have been so fortunate you

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know personally that I've only had a

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couple of attempts to to Punk my ass who

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said that ass thing again James what you

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know it's kind of like during the

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the power cast episode you were talking

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about was it pro bono proctologist or

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something like that what is this

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obsession that you have with that

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because this whole thing is asked

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backward our network is freaking out

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there's thinking what is this O'Brien

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guys gonna say next I mean he has it ass

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backwards and I was trying to illustrate

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a point that you know the whole

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abduction phenomenon is is so tricks

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Trish in many ways and oh he said that

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that word again their listeners when was

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wow this is a good example of how these

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particular types of subjects have this

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kind of absurdity that's built in and

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people fall for the I don't know they

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just fall for the the wrong end of the

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equation sometimes and I that's all I

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was trying to do is get across the the

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sort of metaphoric point that that this

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is just it's getting ridiculous and

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unfortunately we're taking a little bit

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of fall out for even having him on the

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show and it's funny too we had him on

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Hopkins and at that time we had a guest

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co-host Paul Kimball and Paul wouldn't

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go on the show because neither Jacobs

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nor Hopkins would go on the show with

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him I think because he said was that he

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would never have these guys probe his

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mind and I would agree though I wouldn't

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want any of these people to probe my

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mind i if they have all the doctorates

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in the world and they were psychologists

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psychiatrists you know I'd be awfully

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careful I wouldn't want them to probe

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any part of me here we go again this is

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going to be the strangest introduction

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to a power cast episode ever the clause

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rather is not going to not going to

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appreciate this I don't think so we

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glide better it's too early

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yeah I just for everyone so I don't know

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it's I was up all night and it's the

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early morning and I was up all night -

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because teddy bear

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had a dietary problem but that gets us

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back to this other subject I don't want

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to say what it was I'm sorry

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okay I'll kind of get serious here for a

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minute I mean this show is really

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hitting bottom oh geez okay I'm not

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gonna touch that I'll give you a slap in

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a minute listen before we go on we've

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got a really fascinating guests that

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you've lined up for the show this week

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and we're getting up real early in the

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morning on a Monday morning to do this

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so it better be the best power cast

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episode ever and I have how I hope swear

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I tell us more well I don't know

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somebody sent me a link to a site about

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a group in Sweden that has been quietly

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researching and I guess you could even

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say investigating the ghost rocket

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phenomenon which much to my surprise has

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ebbed and flowed over the years since

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the wave of hundreds and hundreds of

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reports over Scandinavia back in 1946

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and 47 and you know we've heard from

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James carrion and we talked about his

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was that a deception with the whole idea

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of this being intelligence operations by

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a by the Americans and possibly counter

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operations by the Soviets we've spoke to

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Micah Hanks who has a different take on

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the phenomenon and the wave of activity

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that occurred so why not go to

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Scandinavia and talk with folks who are

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there locally and maybe have access to

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you know more research than outsiders

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and let's get the skinny on this so this

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is one of the most important I think

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waves of activity in the history of

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ufology and it predates of course the

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Kenneth Arnold sightings so if we're 20

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seconds I'm I'm looking forward to

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speaking with class Savan

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coming up next with Gina and Chris

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you're in the

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order online the site went down it took

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placed the order with another company if

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today it's ghost rockets all the time

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class fun is joining us I know that I am

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angling his name severely but he's very

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gracious and is not going to call me out

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on it but let me ask you first of all

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about your background how did you get

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involved in this sort of research

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yeah I started when I was quite young at

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the age of 16

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I'm born in 1958 so when I was 16 in

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1974 I decided to start investigating

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UFOs long before that I was interested

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of course but at that time in may 74 I

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started to go and visit witnesses and

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trying to find out what they really had

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seen in the sky and since then I've been

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digging deeper and deeper into this

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mystery I'm not a believer I'm an

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investigator and every honest there is a

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good answer I mean if it's aliens time

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with me if it's all in the mind of

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people time with me as long as I know

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for sure how did that research drift

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towards ghosts Rockets now we think of

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ghosts rockets or something

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to happen before we were all born in

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World War two yes even before I was born

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so it's a long time ago and even before

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I was born that's gonna be a very long

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time ago it's about history really and

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it started in 1946 that's the great

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ghost rocket wave when it hits

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Scandinavia you could find observations

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in other countries as well

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Finland Norway and Sweden especially

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Sweden was really hit by this wave of

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observations of cigar-shaped objects

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with or without wings flying over quite

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a few of them crashing into lakes I read

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about him of course when I was young in

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the late 1960s and I started to think

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about him relief for real about five or

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six years later I'm digging into the

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archives trying to find the paper work

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that the military must have left behind

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them we did me and the fellow

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investigated we did find the papers in

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the Swedish war archives and started to

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visit the witnesses at this point when

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you started this investigation and

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looked into it did you make some kind of

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determination as to what the cause might

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be for those original ghost rockets not

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really I could see that they were a

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little different from ordinary UFOs

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because they were so physical you could

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always hear them you can see the Sun

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reflecting in the hull you could hear

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the wind blowing when they were flying

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over you could see the crashes with huge

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columns of water splashing up into the

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air you can hear explosions sometimes

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and you can find traces of them even if

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you didn't find the actual ghost rock

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you couldn't find holes in the bottom of

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lakes where they have crashed so they

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were very very physical and that made me

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feel that this could be something that

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could be solved even but this for we

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have not find a solution just but we are

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on the trail of it maybe if they crashed

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there has to be something

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that you can find was any recovered the

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military went to quite a few of those

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lakes that people have seen no shortage

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crashing - they really combed them for

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evidence at one lake the very very north

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of Sweden called Lake column Europe they

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spent two weeks picking 33,000 samples

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from the lake and all they were all they

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could see was a hole in the bottom and

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big stones large stones were thrown up

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from the bottom of the lake on the shore

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and the people around the lake they had

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seen this craft an elongated craft

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coming down exploding with a huge Conran

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water and all the other houses were

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shattering from the explosion so it was

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really really physical that they

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couldn't find anything that looked like

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say the bomb from from the Second World

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War

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Hitler's vengeance weapon try to hit

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loner with they were very much alike the

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way bombs with one very big difference

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when the way bombs crashed in Sweden you

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can find two thousand two hundred

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kilograms of debris but this also has

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never left anything carrying them

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isn't that strange though that you have

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something that so obviously seems to be

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a physical phenomenon but there's no

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wreckage anywhere I mean I spoken to so

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many researchers within the military

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that were out on those sites looking for

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those rockets and I say the same to me

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as you are telling me now how could it

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be that there wasn't anything to be

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found found they really couldn't

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understand that most of those people are

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now passed away I made introduced in the

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early 1980s so we have documented the

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Swedish military investigations and also

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a lots of ordinary civilian witnesses

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during those early years now there are

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nearly no one left to control the

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stories I'm glad we did it

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and I'm sorry that we didn't have time

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to do more into you that we did at that

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time why don't you tell us a little bit

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about your organization in how this this

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effort has been coordinated over the

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years

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yeah you are for Sweden with equivalent

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with new phone or cue force in the

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United States was founded in 1970 and we

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trained our own field investigators I

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just went to training

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two weeks ago to train 30 new

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investigators and we are done that for

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nearly 40 years every year we also

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publish two magazines we give lots of

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lectures travel enough to investigate

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UFO observations we get one or two

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observations every third day so it's

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nearly five a week and we have a report

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center that deals with them and we are

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quite put in in doing those

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investigations so when the year is

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ending maybe one or two got the label

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UFOs the rest of them have been

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identified this is one part of what we

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are doing that apart is the archives for

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the unexplained which the world's

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largest archives when it comes to UFOs

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and it's situated here in Sweden as well

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and we are working with that from from

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Bureau for Sweden and this is an amazing

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or case really amazing well what is the

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general feeling in Sweden of course we

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become well aware of how Americans are

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sort of descending into a place of blind

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you know belief and how would I put this

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the willful suspension of disbelief how

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do people in Scandinavia in Sweden view

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the UFO phenomenon collectively and what

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sort of differences do you see between

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how Scandinavians approach the subject

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you know as the public approaches the

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subject as opposed to the to the glitz

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and glitter of a Hollywood derived

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version here in the US let's have that

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answer in our next segment with Klaus

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this is nuclear physicist what jurist

611
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and Friedman you are listening to the

612
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barricade the gold standard a paranormal

613
00:27:24,970 --> 00:27:21,980
radio it's the ghost rockets with class

614
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Vaughn and we're talking to him direct

615
00:27:31,030 --> 00:27:27,710
from his palatial estate in Sweden it's

616
00:27:33,460 --> 00:27:31,040
not palatial is it Chris asked a

617
00:27:36,100 --> 00:27:33,470
question about perceptions of UFOs in

618
00:27:38,380 --> 00:27:36,110
Sweden what's your response it's quite

619
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:38,390
different from United States I should

620
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:41,450
say I mean when there have been made

621
00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:44,570
surveys about people believe people's

622
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:47,480
believes 25% of the Swedes

623
00:27:54,970 --> 00:27:51,290
believe that we have or had have visits

624
00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:54,980
from other worlds and that figure is

625
00:27:59,920 --> 00:27:57,110
around 40 to 50 percent in the United

626
00:28:02,830 --> 00:27:59,930
States so we are not as much as

627
00:28:04,990 --> 00:28:02,840
believers it's the United States the

628
00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:05,000
United States or I should say I think

629
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:08,750
it's must to be explained to your foot

630
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:11,570
Sweden's work through the years we have

631
00:28:16,540 --> 00:28:14,660
never been believers at least since the

632
00:28:19,810 --> 00:28:16,550
1980s we haven't been believers we are

633
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:19,820
just saying that this is an unknown this

634
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,130
is something strange we don't have the

635
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:24,080
answer but this is something that need

636
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:26,810
more research and I think people have

637
00:28:31,450 --> 00:28:28,840
learned that now and they are

638
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:31,460
appreciating what we are doing they are

639
00:28:35,290 --> 00:28:33,830
returning to us to get help to try to

640
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:35,300
identify what they have seen in the

641
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,330
skies know how refreshing ly scientific

642
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and an objective so then you're not

643
00:28:47,170 --> 00:28:43,340
trying to seek out disclosure by the

644
00:28:49,180 --> 00:28:47,180
government of alleged spaceship evidence

645
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:49,190
you just want to find out what's about

646
00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:50,930
yeah I mean we are working very closely

647
00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:54,680
with the authorities we a couple of

648
00:29:00,490 --> 00:28:57,230
years ago I asked them to scan their

649
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:00,500
phone UFO archives for us and they set

650
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the person to do that for three and a

651
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:03,830
half months and they turned it over on

652
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:07,700
the two gigabyte hard drive to us we

653
00:29:11,860 --> 00:29:08,690
have also

654
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:11,870
available information that not many you

655
00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:14,210
for researchers in the world can can get

656
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because thanks to our cooperation they

657
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trust us and we trust them that said of

658
00:29:23,890 --> 00:29:21,980
course they don't tell us everything

659
00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:23,900
they know they are keeping things away

660
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:27,500
from us of course because of intrusions

661
00:29:32,770 --> 00:29:30,110
over the border that they really don't

662
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:32,780
know who who are making it could be

663
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:36,200
anyone to be Russia not that uncommon

664
00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:38,420
it could be NATO not that uncommon

665
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:41,870
either so of course we do not get to

666
00:29:47,260 --> 00:29:44,050
know everything we are very very good

667
00:29:50,020 --> 00:29:47,270
contacts that helps us to investigate to

668
00:29:52,270 --> 00:29:50,030
find answers ok looking at that here

669
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:52,280
they're withholding something does that

670
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:54,850
indicate that all that maybe they have

671
00:29:59,620 --> 00:29:57,740
some guilty knowledge more than they're

672
00:30:01,660 --> 00:29:59,630
letting on and they're just being

673
00:30:02,890 --> 00:30:01,670
accommodating to send you information or

674
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:02,900
to may be leading you astray

675
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,690
look we're giving you this information

676
00:30:09,610 --> 00:30:07,520
so there are no secrets of any

677
00:30:12,130 --> 00:30:09,620
importance yeah a couple of years ago I

678
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,140
got a telephone call from the Swedish

679
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,720
Defense Research Institute which is one

680
00:30:20,020 --> 00:30:17,120
of the most secretive Institute's we do

681
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:20,030
have within the military and Coler told

682
00:30:26,290 --> 00:30:24,830
me that they found a secret file UFO

683
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:26,300
reports and he asked me if I was

684
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,690
interested and I said I was so they

685
00:30:32,790 --> 00:30:32,000
unclassified it and I got it and when I

686
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:32,800
read it

687
00:30:38,530 --> 00:30:36,170
90% of it were not of interest at all

688
00:30:41,890 --> 00:30:38,540
what just lights specs of lights in the

689
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:41,900
sky and meteors and stuff like that you

690
00:30:46,090 --> 00:30:43,610
couldn't really understand why it was

691
00:30:49,300 --> 00:30:46,100
classified in the first place the rest

692
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was quite interesting but I mean nothing

693
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that will change your world worldview

694
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and we have so many contexts that are

695
00:31:02,320 --> 00:30:59,570
leaking secret information as well that

696
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:02,330
when I got it on my table I can say that

697
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:05,630
they don't know they are just as furious

698
00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:07,970
as you and I or they don't have the

699
00:31:13,540 --> 00:31:11,510
answer to the UFO enigma I think so

700
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:13,550
therefore if we got disclosure there's

701
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:15,050
no such thing because maybe the

702
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:16,670
governments don't know much more than we

703
00:31:21,870 --> 00:31:18,650
do and wouldn't that be also a reason

704
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:21,880
not to reveal everything because

705
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:23,920
they don't have any answers and maybe if

706
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they say that and they would maybe not

707
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:28,570
look that good okay yeah this stuff

708
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:30,490
going on in our skies and you don't know

709
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:33,130
what's going on what's the matter of it

710
00:31:37,020 --> 00:31:34,810
because if they don't know what's really

711
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:37,030
across in your skies it's not very good

712
00:31:39,780 --> 00:31:38,800
for them to tell that you're perfect

713
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:39,790
right about that

714
00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:42,610
I've spoken to quite a few people within

715
00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:46,150
the radar the secret radar surveillance

716
00:31:52,650 --> 00:31:49,720
around Sweden and they say that UFOs to

717
00:31:55,620 --> 00:31:52,660
them or just a problem and by that they

718
00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:55,630
mean when they are seeing things on the

719
00:32:00,510 --> 00:31:57,970
radar screens that I really don't know

720
00:32:02,550 --> 00:32:00,520
it could be anything it's not hostile

721
00:32:04,650 --> 00:32:02,560
it could be some problem with the radar

722
00:32:07,710 --> 00:32:04,660
it could be some mound Yoshio natural

723
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:07,720
phenomenon and come something completely

724
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:09,880
different of course I spoke into Swedish

725
00:32:16,020 --> 00:32:13,210
pilots chasing UFOs in the skies and

726
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:16,030
some of the stories are really really

727
00:32:21,570 --> 00:32:19,570
fantastic so but they didn't report it

728
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:21,580
it was still fantastic they didn't want

729
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:23,860
to be questioned as pilots so they did

730
00:32:30,150 --> 00:32:26,110
you give us some examples yeah I mean I

731
00:32:34,980 --> 00:32:30,160
spoke to one pilot who in the late 1970s

732
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:34,990
was on routine fly flying a routinely

733
00:32:41,220 --> 00:32:38,050
over our land it says southeast of

734
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:41,230
Sweden it's an island and he got the

735
00:32:45,630 --> 00:32:43,360
call from the radar unit on the ground

736
00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:45,640
telling him it was some unknown object

737
00:32:51,450 --> 00:32:49,390
coming into Swedish airspace so he was

738
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:51,460
going to identify it it was the Cold War

739
00:32:57,150 --> 00:32:54,880
and he did this regularly it was nothing

740
00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:57,160
especially strange about that but when

741
00:33:03,150 --> 00:32:59,500
he approached the object it was ten

742
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:03,160
kilometers over the water surface and he

743
00:33:08,910 --> 00:33:06,010
got locked on it with his radar onboard

744
00:33:11,820 --> 00:33:08,920
his jet fighter as he could see the

745
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:11,830
object on his radar and after just a

746
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:13,930
couple of seconds the object reacted and

747
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:16,930
started to climb from being stationed

748
00:33:23,490 --> 00:33:20,320
less hovering it's just started to climb

749
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:23,500
straight up into the heavens and he was

750
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:27,130
flying after it in the 70 degrees angle

751
00:33:33,210 --> 00:33:29,410
following it as fast as he could with

752
00:33:35,670 --> 00:33:33,220
his jet fighter but he was alone he said

753
00:33:38,460 --> 00:33:35,680
to me that the object just vanished up

754
00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:38,470
space he had to stop because it was too

755
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:41,950
high so he couldn't fly any higher he

756
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,200
was sure that he did see this on his

757
00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:46,690
radar see he never saw it with his eyes

758
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,510
was impossible to see for him that on

759
00:33:54,510 --> 00:33:52,000
the radar but he never reported it he

760
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:54,520
never told the radar unit on the ground

761
00:34:03,180 --> 00:33:59,410
that he could see it so so we have the

762
00:34:06,570 --> 00:34:03,190
same sort of scenario in Scandinavian in

763
00:34:09,630 --> 00:34:06,580
Sweden where pilots are reluctant to go

764
00:34:12,900 --> 00:34:09,640
on the record and say you know that they

765
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:12,910
saw or didn't see an unknown object that

766
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:14,970
could not be identified so there is a

767
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,410
stigma attached to it it sounds like

768
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,040
yeah just pursue this in terms of

769
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:23,440
sightings have you had anything that is

770
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:25,930
close to our obsession with Roswell New

771
00:34:30,510 --> 00:34:28,870
Mexico a possible crashed UFO other than

772
00:34:33,330 --> 00:34:30,520
the ghost rockets back in the 40s

773
00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:33,340
anything like an over and crashed UFO

774
00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:36,700
yeah we don't have any reports like that

775
00:34:41,970 --> 00:34:39,790
here in Sweden it's only the ghost

776
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:41,980
Rochus I don't they always crash it in

777
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:47,410
lakes and never on the land other

778
00:34:53,490 --> 00:34:49,600
crashes no not really

779
00:34:56,250 --> 00:34:53,500
very very few reports about aliens

780
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,260
we of course have people who have met

781
00:35:01,110 --> 00:34:58,800
them in their bedrooms

782
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:01,120
you have in the United States as well

783
00:35:07,110 --> 00:35:03,610
but they are very very fewer but fewer

784
00:35:12,090 --> 00:35:07,120
than you have it's hard to explain why

785
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:12,100
but I think nobody really encouraged

786
00:35:18,270 --> 00:35:14,770
people to come forward with those kind

787
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:18,280
of stories in that way that the authors

788
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:22,150
and media does in the United States so

789
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:23,920
we've been talking about that we you

790
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,350
mean UFO abductions right yeah

791
00:35:31,380 --> 00:35:28,240
okay so you've had a few of those I mean

792
00:35:34,010 --> 00:35:31,390
in recent weeks on the podcast we've had

793
00:35:37,980 --> 00:35:34,020
some discussions and it gets to be

794
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:37,990
amazingly polarized the pro and con

795
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:41,920
opinions the disputes the emotions it's

796
00:35:47,260 --> 00:35:44,890
amazing and I gather here you people

797
00:35:48,580 --> 00:35:47,270
over at UFO Sweden

798
00:35:51,100 --> 00:35:48,590
you seem to take more of a laid-back

799
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:51,110
approach to that there isn't that in

800
00:35:56,410 --> 00:35:54,290
fighting am I getting this correct yeah

801
00:36:00,250 --> 00:35:56,420
it's not any infighting we are trying to

802
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:00,260
approach this as its researchers really

803
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:03,410
and we are not encouraging people to

804
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:06,350
believe in that they have met aliens

805
00:36:12,340 --> 00:36:09,050
from other planets but that's refreshing

806
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:12,350
yeah I think it's not very helpful to

807
00:36:16,420 --> 00:36:14,930
them to do that we are listening to then

808
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:16,430
we're trying to find an also if you

809
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:18,890
cannot find an also we say okay this is

810
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:20,990
the UFO this is nothing that we could

811
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:25,210
identify so there is no cosmic Watergate

812
00:36:28,660 --> 00:36:26,450
hello

813
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:28,670
in Sweden like we have here or may have

814
00:36:34,270 --> 00:36:31,850
here let me do our break we have class

815
00:36:36,670 --> 00:36:34,280
fun and we're talking about ghosts

816
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:36,680
rockets and UFOs he's the chairman of

817
00:36:41,770 --> 00:36:39,920
UFO Sweden he's been involved in this

818
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819
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842
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843
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weighted company helping people clean up

845
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their mess with the IRS thousand dollars

846
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are more than called a tax battler all

847
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call eight hundred to eight seven seven

848
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one eight zero again that's 800 800 will

849
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you forget a lot of people's lives and

850
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bodies are out of balance Alka vision

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get rid of harmful waste and acid just a

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few drops in water restores vibrance and

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energy and gets you back in balance now

855
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order sign up for monthly auto shipping

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and save 25% call 800-542-5552 Nazz next

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859
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rat race work from home go to freedom

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864
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865
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be the boss go to freedom 106 dot-com

866
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:30,619
this is Dan pillar do you owe the IRS

867
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,660
money you can't pay our tax debts

868
00:40:36,910 --> 00:40:34,640
crippling you I've defended people from

869
00:40:39,010 --> 00:40:36,920
the IRS for over 30 years I've helped

870
00:40:40,359 --> 00:40:39,020
thousands and I can help you too I wrote

871
00:40:42,130 --> 00:40:40,369
the book on IRS settlement and I'm

872
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:42,140
telling you there's no such thing as a

873
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:45,890
hopeless case call 834 no tax to finally

874
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:48,020
get free of IRS debt with the IRS as new

875
00:40:52,359 --> 00:40:49,520
programs there's never been a better

876
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:52,369
time to solve your problem call 834 no

877
00:41:02,950 --> 00:40:55,640
tax that's 803 for no tax or my website

878
00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:02,960
dan pilla calm hi this is Don Ecker and

879
00:41:08,019 --> 00:41:06,109
you are tuned in to the para cast let me

880
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:08,029
tell you what you're gonna hear stuff

881
00:41:14,460 --> 00:41:10,730
here that you probably won't hear

882
00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:14,470
anywhere else hear that George snoring

883
00:41:21,069 --> 00:41:19,700
you know I'm international director for

884
00:41:23,769 --> 00:41:21,079
Sweden okay you just want to clarify

885
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:23,779
that now if just to stop for a second

886
00:41:28,569 --> 00:41:25,520
here and we have a lot of listeners in

887
00:41:29,859 --> 00:41:28,579
Europe so right now if someone is

888
00:41:31,630 --> 00:41:29,869
interested because you do have an

889
00:41:33,370 --> 00:41:31,640
English language section by the way so

890
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,380
you don't have to speak another language

891
00:41:36,910 --> 00:41:35,359
if anyone's interested in getting more

892
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:36,920
information about your organization

893
00:41:41,890 --> 00:41:39,020
where they go probably the best way to

894
00:41:45,549 --> 00:41:41,900
find us is on the ghost rocket Facebook

895
00:41:47,289 --> 00:41:45,559
site and everything is in English you

896
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:47,299
can also go to the Euro for Sweden

897
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:50,450
Facebook which mostly in Swedish but

898
00:41:57,789 --> 00:41:54,710
also UFO doctor see your doctor sees our

899
00:42:00,339 --> 00:41:57,799
main page on the internet and if your

900
00:42:02,859 --> 00:42:00,349
English speaker you can also visit York

901
00:42:05,859 --> 00:42:02,869
as for the unexplained AFU doctor see

902
00:42:08,620 --> 00:42:05,869
it's in English all of it yeah when we

903
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,630
put up the show we will have links to

904
00:42:13,260 --> 00:42:10,400
your site so people who are interested

905
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:13,270
want to get a sensible emotion free

906
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:16,730
approach to UFOs we are curious that's

907
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:18,319
the most important thing and I've been

908
00:42:24,490 --> 00:42:20,720
curious for 40 years now and

909
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,500
I feel the same tingling sensation in my

910
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:27,080
body when I go out to meet my witness

911
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:29,330
and trying to find an answer to what

912
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:30,890
really happened to listen to their

913
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:33,710
stories there's nothing better than that

914
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:36,110
I'm a journalist by profession I work

915
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,510
one or two percent as a journalist at

916
00:42:42,730 --> 00:42:40,640
the newspaper here in Stockholm

917
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:42,740
during my daytime work I'm trying to

918
00:42:49,870 --> 00:42:44,810
find the answers to other topics and

919
00:42:52,540 --> 00:42:49,880
this is the same really but let me do a

920
00:42:55,060 --> 00:42:52,550
segue here because does fascinate me I'm

921
00:42:56,620 --> 00:42:55,070
always interested in how Europeans for

922
00:42:58,300 --> 00:42:56,630
people around the world perceive the

923
00:43:01,300 --> 00:42:58,310
United States and all the crazy nonsense

924
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:01,310
is going on here like our presidential

925
00:43:05,230 --> 00:43:03,770
campaign right now where we've got one

926
00:43:08,290 --> 00:43:05,240
candidate who's a leader in the

927
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:08,300
Republican Party is a reality show host

928
00:43:13,870 --> 00:43:12,290
yeah and his presence is huge

929
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,880
I don't want to do a Donald Trump

930
00:43:17,950 --> 00:43:15,680
imitation I think Hillary Clinton does

931
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:17,960
the best but how did the Europeans look

932
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:20,210
at the crazy stuff that's going on in

933
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:23,060
this country do you feel frightened are

934
00:43:27,370 --> 00:43:25,850
you just amused by it what I think we're

935
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:27,380
a little amused by it but there was a

936
00:43:29,860 --> 00:43:29,420
very very obsessed with the United

937
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:29,870
States

938
00:43:35,530 --> 00:43:31,700
that's much because of Hollywood of

939
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:35,540
course and all the literature we read 30

940
00:43:41,410 --> 00:43:38,390
years all the Nobel Prize winners I mean

941
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:41,420
you have made such an impact on Europe

942
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:43,670
and on Sweden during the years so I

943
00:43:52,660 --> 00:43:48,970
think we are impressed but also a little

944
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:52,670
amazed by my country like yours could be

945
00:44:00,490 --> 00:43:56,330
so diverse and so strange and have so

946
00:44:05,710 --> 00:44:00,500
many not so many bright the great

947
00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:05,720
American pubic refer to them well that

948
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:07,880
you know that kind of leads me to a

949
00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:10,910
question which sort of addresses the

950
00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:13,180
cultural differences people in

951
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:16,940
Scandinavia I had a Swedish wife tend to

952
00:44:22,450 --> 00:44:20,930
be more close to the vest they seem to

953
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:22,460
have a little bit harder time and

954
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:24,170
possibly opening up and sharing their

955
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:27,200
emotional self as opposed to Americans

956
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:29,170
who wear their emotions on their sleeves

957
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:33,410
do you find that that creates problems

958
00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:34,130
with

959
00:44:38,740 --> 00:44:36,820
witnesses coming forward your

960
00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:38,750
organization's ability to pull

961
00:44:45,790 --> 00:44:42,820
information out of witnesses do you see

962
00:44:47,830 --> 00:44:45,800
some cultural difficulties in terms of

963
00:44:49,930 --> 00:44:47,840
being an investigative journalist and

964
00:44:52,420 --> 00:44:49,940
trying to interview people

965
00:44:54,340 --> 00:44:52,430
is there a reluctance to divulge all the

966
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:54,350
facts do you think let me take an

967
00:44:59,620 --> 00:44:56,960
example here because during the last

968
00:45:02,590 --> 00:44:59,630
five or six years your first we didn't

969
00:45:04,660 --> 00:45:02,600
have made a survey that no one else in

970
00:45:07,870 --> 00:45:04,670
the world ever tried to do before we

971
00:45:11,260 --> 00:45:07,880
went out to three different areas in

972
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:11,270
Sweden knocking doors asking people have

973
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:13,400
you seen anything in the sky that should

974
00:45:22,330 --> 00:45:18,410
you couldn't explain we into your 1,700

975
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:22,340
people in that way and I mean how come

976
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:24,170
that they opened the doors to us you can

977
00:45:27,970 --> 00:45:25,880
ask them if you did it in United States

978
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:27,980
I'm not sure everyone would but also the

979
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:34,790
door but we did have a shotgun yeah but

980
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:37,760
we went out two week before in media had

981
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:40,880
media coverage all over the area TV

982
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:44,120
radio newspapers that we were coming so

983
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:46,370
everyone knew that when it knocked on

984
00:45:51,010 --> 00:45:48,650
their door it was not Kiev as witnesses

985
00:45:52,330 --> 00:45:51,020
it was the office suite incoming so they

986
00:45:54,310 --> 00:45:52,340
opened the door to us

987
00:45:58,270 --> 00:45:54,320
I met only one who didn't want to talk

988
00:46:01,900 --> 00:45:58,280
with me when I went out to do this one

989
00:46:04,810 --> 00:46:01,910
in ten had seen something that they most

990
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:04,820
of the time had never reported to anyone

991
00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:08,330
except the immediate family we have ten

992
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:09,620
million people in this country around

993
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:13,510
and that's a million people and we have

994
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:17,030
20,000 beautiful reports from Sweden in

995
00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:20,150
our archives I mean we are missed it all

996
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:22,030
really we only scratched the surface

997
00:46:29,050 --> 00:46:25,610
well how about you class have you had a

998
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:29,060
personal experience er yeah I had an

999
00:46:33,970 --> 00:46:31,640
experience in 1995 together with my wife

1000
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:33,980
which is nice not to be alone to do

1001
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:36,170
things like this and I'm an amateur

1002
00:46:41,470 --> 00:46:38,930
astronomer and I'm never out looking in

1003
00:46:44,650 --> 00:46:41,480
disguise except for watching the stars

1004
00:46:47,950 --> 00:46:44,660
and doing observations but this evening

1005
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:47,960
it was November the 5th 1995 we were

1006
00:46:52,330 --> 00:46:50,240
traveling by car from the north of

1007
00:46:55,300 --> 00:46:52,340
stockholm stockholm it was in the middle

1008
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:55,310
of the night just after 1 o'clock I was

1009
00:47:00,610 --> 00:46:56,960
driving and my wife was seeking to write

1010
00:47:03,130 --> 00:47:00,620
to me and we saw two persons standing at

1011
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:03,140
the bus stop waiting for the last bus

1012
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:05,390
one of them were pointing up in the sky

1013
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:08,210
and the other one was looking trying to

1014
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:10,100
see what he was pointing to antiserum so

1015
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:11,570
i asked my wife could you take a look

1016
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:15,170
see if you can see something she leaned

1017
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,570
forward and took a look and said no I

1018
00:47:23,110 --> 00:47:20,000
can only see stores it's very very noisy

1019
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:23,120
and it was so we parked the car it was

1020
00:47:29,050 --> 00:47:25,970
just four or five hundred jobs to where

1021
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,060
we lived so we parked the car and went

1022
00:47:34,780 --> 00:47:31,520
out we were standing three or four

1023
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:34,790
meters away from each other looking up

1024
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,000
in the sky is trying to see what those

1025
00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:40,880
gentlemen really were staring at we

1026
00:47:47,260 --> 00:47:43,580
couldn't see anything for the first 3040

1027
00:47:50,860 --> 00:47:47,270
seconds then suddenly from the very dark

1028
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:50,870
of the sky not from the horizon but 40

1029
00:47:59,790 --> 00:47:56,000
45 degrees so three plus signs like a

1030
00:48:03,580 --> 00:47:59,800
crosses appeared flying side by side

1031
00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:03,590
over us illuminated by their own light

1032
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:06,320
as it seemed first I thought it was

1033
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:08,510
Birds cause I've seen so many birds

1034
00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:10,610
illuminated by the streetlights flying

1035
00:48:14,650 --> 00:48:13,190
over me but those were much bigger they

1036
00:48:17,370 --> 00:48:14,660
were rigid that he didn't flap their

1037
00:48:19,810 --> 00:48:17,380
wings they were bright in another way

1038
00:48:21,370 --> 00:48:19,820
they flew over us and I ran around the

1039
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:21,380
corner trying to see where they were

1040
00:48:26,890 --> 00:48:23,450
heading and I saw them flying over our

1041
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:26,900
neighbor's house and vanishing at the

1042
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:29,570
horizon and after that we went inside we

1043
00:48:32,950 --> 00:48:31,490
didn't say a word with children we sat

1044
00:48:35,260 --> 00:48:32,960
down in separate rooms

1045
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:35,270
we took our report forms we filled them

1046
00:48:39,580 --> 00:48:37,490
out and after that we compared what we

1047
00:48:41,530 --> 00:48:39,590
had seen and I put an investigator

1048
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:41,540
trying to find an answer on this about

1049
00:48:48,370 --> 00:48:44,200
this and we never were able to find out

1050
00:48:50,890 --> 00:48:48,380
what those three crosses were wow that's

1051
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:50,900
interesting description you know one

1052
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:53,210
thing that just dawned on me pardon the

1053
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:57,200
pun with my comment here but you know

1054
00:49:02,279 --> 00:49:00,400
you guys are way up you know

1055
00:49:04,589 --> 00:49:02,289
getting close to the Arctic Circle so

1056
00:49:06,630 --> 00:49:04,599
you have very very long days during the

1057
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:06,640
summer and very long nights during the

1058
00:49:11,609 --> 00:49:09,220
winter where it's very very cold well so

1059
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:11,619
I would imagine that one thing that you

1060
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:14,410
have to take into account is that people

1061
00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,569
aren't really outside looking up at the

1062
00:49:21,569 --> 00:49:19,359
sky at nighttime as much as they would

1063
00:49:24,569 --> 00:49:21,579
be let's say you know further south like

1064
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:24,579
in the US and that during the wintertime

1065
00:49:29,220 --> 00:49:26,950
when you you know when objects in the

1066
00:49:31,259 --> 00:49:29,230
sky obviously a more apparent in the

1067
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:31,269
dark you don't have as many people

1068
00:49:35,759 --> 00:49:33,490
outside actually sky watching and doing

1069
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:35,769
those types of activities however during

1070
00:49:40,499 --> 00:49:37,930
the summer it's doing that because

1071
00:49:43,019 --> 00:49:40,509
people here are used to it being cold so

1072
00:49:46,109 --> 00:49:43,029
we I mean living in Stockholm now I

1073
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:46,119
consider it quite south because for

1074
00:49:51,749 --> 00:49:48,130
eight years I lived at the Polar Circle

1075
00:49:54,299 --> 00:49:51,759
and that is 1,000 kilometers north of me

1076
00:49:59,609 --> 00:49:54,309
right at that time we spent as much time

1077
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:59,619
outside is we don't know you guys are

1078
00:50:04,529 --> 00:50:01,680
Hardy or up there plus you got some nice

1079
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:04,539
hot tub action going on to kind of warm

1080
00:50:08,970 --> 00:50:06,609
up to I'm sure if they'll roll around

1081
00:50:11,729 --> 00:50:08,980
you won't miss that because it's so nice

1082
00:50:17,489 --> 00:50:11,739
well you mentioned a sighting that you

1083
00:50:20,670 --> 00:50:17,499
had but did that make you more focused

1084
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:20,680
and more motivated to to continue the

1085
00:50:24,569 --> 00:50:22,210
work because we're talking 20 years ago

1086
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:24,579
that was right at the midpoint of your

1087
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:28,480
of you're pretty much in your career do

1088
00:50:32,430 --> 00:50:30,609
you as an investigator require good

1089
00:50:35,069 --> 00:50:32,440
cases to keep you moving forward keep

1090
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,079
you motivated or is it just something

1091
00:50:39,799 --> 00:50:36,880
that you're just doing because it needs

1092
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:39,809
to be done I think if the last result is

1093
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:42,640
this observation didn't really affect me

1094
00:50:48,210 --> 00:50:45,970
in any way except one I realized how

1095
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:48,220
hard it is for witnesses to tell about

1096
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:51,249
their stories it's so difficult to try

1097
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,609
to get someone else to understand that

1098
00:50:59,700 --> 00:50:56,319
you have seen something you did not

1099
00:51:02,069 --> 00:50:59,710
understand yourself it was very very

1100
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:02,079
good to me for me to see that because

1101
00:51:09,690 --> 00:51:04,930
when I'm out visiting witnesses now I do

1102
00:51:12,329 --> 00:51:09,700
understand how they struggle to get what

1103
00:51:13,380 --> 00:51:12,339
they are seeing into my mind to make me

1104
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:13,390
understand well

1105
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,510
let's language people need a way to be

1106
00:51:23,610 --> 00:51:19,440
able to use language to describe

1107
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:23,620
something that is inexplicable that is

1108
00:51:29,190 --> 00:51:26,410
very difficult to describe we have class

1109
00:51:31,410 --> 00:51:29,200
fun and Jean and Chris you're in the

1110
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:31,420
para cast

1111
00:51:42,510 --> 00:51:38,600
[Music]

1112
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:42,520
you are listening to GPS

1113
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:48,970
visit GC and live.com today ray Perkins

1114
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:51,370
a reclusive veteran burned out from the

1115
00:51:57,060 --> 00:51:54,030
Gulf War lives tortured by relentless

1116
00:51:59,280 --> 00:51:57,070
perplexing nightmares nightmares of a

1117
00:52:01,530 --> 00:51:59,290
horrific battle in deep space and of a

1118
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:01,540
mysterious woman suffering an agony for

1119
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:04,240
her devastated world a woman not yet

1120
00:52:11,370 --> 00:52:07,980
born calling across centuries to him

1121
00:52:14,100 --> 00:52:11,380
then a coincidence leads him to his

1122
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:14,110
destiny his chance to alter the universe

1123
00:52:18,900 --> 00:52:17,200
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1124
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,910
fiction editor for Star Wars and Indiana

1125
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:21,760
Jones Robert Simpson writes the soul of

1126
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:23,650
the novel attack of the rock Owens lies

1127
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:25,510
in its heart and passion for building a

1128
00:52:30,510 --> 00:52:27,520
convincing tale of a love that spans the

1129
00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:30,520
galaxy a thrilling story attack of the

1130
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:33,430
rocket is available now read a simple

1131
00:52:37,020 --> 00:52:35,200
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1132
00:52:42,210 --> 00:52:37,030
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1133
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:42,220
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1134
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:45,550
attack of the Rockets a novel in the

1135
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:50,170
grand science-fiction tradition my name

1136
00:52:55,050 --> 00:52:52,210
is Bill Bonner and I have an important

1137
00:52:57,060 --> 00:52:55,060
message right now the highest levels of

1138
00:52:59,550 --> 00:52:57,070
government are struggling against an

1139
00:53:02,430 --> 00:52:59,560
inevitable crisis but they're about to

1140
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:02,440
lose control when this happens it will

1141
00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:05,200
rip our country apart in ways you never

1142
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,600
imagined from where we shop to the

1143
00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:09,760
family you want to protect look I've

1144
00:53:13,950 --> 00:53:12,100
made predictions like this before a few

1145
00:53:16,230 --> 00:53:13,960
years ago I warned that the housing

1146
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:16,240
prices would collapse before that I

1147
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:18,490
warned that dot-com companies would

1148
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:21,130
crash and they did those who listened

1149
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:23,650
had a chance to save themselves but this

1150
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:25,210
has nothing to do with the stock market

1151
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:28,570
this will affect us all I've posted a

1152
00:53:33,720 --> 00:53:31,810
free video at disappearing dollar calm

1153
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:33,730
maybe you'll disagree with my

1154
00:53:38,100 --> 00:53:35,650
conclusions but first you need to watch

1155
00:53:40,380 --> 00:53:38,110
this video and see the facts for

1156
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:40,390
yourself you can watch the video for

1157
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:43,450
free right now by going to disappearing

1158
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:46,810
dollar calm again that's disappearing

1159
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,010
[Applause]

1160
00:54:03,640 --> 00:53:59,440
welcome back to to the para cast the

1161
00:54:12,430 --> 00:54:03,650
gold standard of paranormal radio and

1162
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:12,440
now here's Jane Steinberg one thing I

1163
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:14,810
wanted to ask your because we like to do

1164
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:16,670
these inevitable comparisons between

1165
00:54:22,839 --> 00:54:19,609
American ufology which is a mess and how

1166
00:54:25,059 --> 00:54:22,849
it works in Sweden class fun and that is

1167
00:54:26,890 --> 00:54:25,069
things like government secrecy and it

1168
00:54:29,020 --> 00:54:26,900
doesn't seem like there's an awful lot

1169
00:54:31,660 --> 00:54:29,030
of that and so-called men in black

1170
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:31,670
people who run around doing all sorts of

1171
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:34,310
mischief with regard to witnesses of

1172
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:37,010
UFOs and other paranormal events do you

1173
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:40,310
have men in black in Sweden not really

1174
00:54:46,059 --> 00:54:43,430
we do have maybe a few observations

1175
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:46,069
through the years and I'm not really

1176
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:48,250
sure about them if they are bonafide

1177
00:54:54,430 --> 00:54:51,920
observations or just some people telling

1178
00:54:58,650 --> 00:54:54,440
stories I mean I went quite often in

1179
00:55:01,599 --> 00:54:58,660
England and doing UFO stuff there and

1180
00:55:05,230 --> 00:55:01,609
there you can find quite a lot too many

1181
00:55:08,770 --> 00:55:05,240
black observations Denmark no not really

1182
00:55:13,059 --> 00:55:08,780
Finland Norway no not really it's not a

1183
00:55:15,550 --> 00:55:13,069
Scandinavian thing at all it's more of a

1184
00:55:17,740 --> 00:55:15,560
glow sexual thing I think well of course

1185
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:17,750
we have an argument here in the US

1186
00:55:24,099 --> 00:55:19,910
whether men in black represents some

1187
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:24,109
sort of government intervention or they

1188
00:55:29,410 --> 00:55:26,300
are themselves paranormal creatures and

1189
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:29,420
one of our American researchers who's

1190
00:55:33,940 --> 00:55:31,609
originally from the UK Nick Redfern you

1191
00:55:36,460 --> 00:55:33,950
probably know who he is yeah he wrote a

1192
00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:36,470
piece reviewing the new book by dr.

1193
00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:38,540
David Jacobs about so-called hybrid

1194
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:41,349
aliens and he likens them in

1195
00:55:46,359 --> 00:55:43,640
descriptions to possible men and black

1196
00:55:48,430 --> 00:55:46,369
men and black might be hybrid aliens but

1197
00:55:50,650 --> 00:55:48,440
let me ask you that question too because

1198
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:50,660
unfortunately it's consumed a lot of the

1199
00:55:55,270 --> 00:55:52,160
power cast in the last couple of weeks

1200
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,280
do you believe if there is an ET that is

1201
00:55:59,470 --> 00:55:57,920
visiting us that maybe they are among us

1202
00:56:00,250 --> 00:55:59,480
or is that just too paranoid to

1203
00:56:02,740 --> 00:56:00,260
contemplate

1204
00:56:04,540 --> 00:56:02,750
I read Nick Redferns book about men in

1205
00:56:07,930 --> 00:56:04,550
black and he has quite a lot of

1206
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:07,940
interesting cases in his book that said

1207
00:56:16,030 --> 00:56:08,720
we

1208
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:16,040
they are aliens I mean that they are

1209
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:19,130
here on earth because they were placed

1210
00:56:26,980 --> 00:56:23,210
here by some other outside force I am in

1211
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,990
contact with say 50 or 60 persons that

1212
00:56:32,020 --> 00:56:29,119
are sending me letters or emails and

1213
00:56:38,050 --> 00:56:32,030
they think that they are in contact or

1214
00:56:40,930 --> 00:56:38,060
themselves hybrids or ETS so yeah some

1215
00:56:43,570 --> 00:56:40,940
people think that they are here and they

1216
00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:43,580
are a part of it themselves I'm not sure

1217
00:56:47,290 --> 00:56:44,990
I haven't seen the evidence yet but I

1218
00:56:50,170 --> 00:56:47,300
keep an open door of course and if they

1219
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:50,180
are showing them on my my footstep here

1220
00:56:57,339 --> 00:56:53,570
I Thanks they're welcome that would be a

1221
00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:57,349
little scary I unfortunately we're

1222
00:57:02,080 --> 00:56:59,000
seeing more and more of that here in the

1223
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:02,090
US and that always makes me kind of take

1224
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:04,250
a big step back and start wondering

1225
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:06,290
about a person sanity I'm just that's

1226
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:08,750
why I am but at the same time you can't

1227
00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:11,570
be too judgmental because you may be

1228
00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:12,980
throwing the baby out with the bathwater

1229
00:57:18,339 --> 00:57:16,550
as they say but let's get back to the

1230
00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:18,349
ghost rockets real quick cloth sigh I

1231
00:57:22,359 --> 00:57:20,630
think it's important for our new

1232
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:22,369
listeners to have a good understanding

1233
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:26,540
of how this particular wave which is

1234
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:29,930
very kind of sits alone we don't really

1235
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:33,410
have a corollary type of wave anywhere

1236
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:35,570
else to my knowledge except maybe the

1237
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:39,200
great airship waving in the 1896 97

1238
00:57:45,730 --> 00:57:42,260
period why don't you give us a sense of

1239
00:57:48,579 --> 00:57:45,740
how the hallway began where our first

1240
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:48,589
cases were and then how it progressed

1241
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:51,650
through the year and then spread to the

1242
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,320
Mediterranean I mean we even had reports

1243
00:57:59,680 --> 00:57:56,660
from down there give us a sense of the

1244
00:58:02,290 --> 00:57:59,690
of the actual kind of nuts and bolts of

1245
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,300
how this this whole thing unfolded you

1246
00:58:08,140 --> 00:58:04,400
could say it started in the very early

1247
00:58:11,230 --> 00:58:08,150
days so 1946 in January and up in

1248
00:58:14,170 --> 00:58:11,240
February people seeing lights in the sky

1249
00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:14,180
most of them we can see now most

1250
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:17,240
probably meteors and planets and stuff

1251
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,630
like that but the reports they take

1252
00:58:25,780 --> 00:58:22,400
still

1253
00:58:29,050 --> 00:58:25,790
in march/april more lights in the sky

1254
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:29,060
but in May something changed I think it

1255
00:58:35,290 --> 00:58:32,600
was May 28th the first headline in his

1256
00:58:37,630 --> 00:58:35,300
witness newspaper with a with the

1257
00:58:40,060 --> 00:58:37,640
headline goes to rocket in it the word

1258
00:58:45,340 --> 00:58:40,070
ghost rocket were used for the first

1259
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:45,350
time and after that people did see craft

1260
00:58:50,020 --> 00:58:47,210
you say I mean they they were really

1261
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:50,030
nothing nothing at all like light in the

1262
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:53,270
sky flying over Sweden in broad daylight

1263
00:59:01,450 --> 00:58:58,220
and in July the 6th the military decided

1264
00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:01,460
to create a ghost rocket committee just

1265
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:05,000
didn't deal with those observations the

1266
00:59:11,050 --> 00:59:07,730
committee worked for half a year they

1267
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:11,060
interviewed people they went out to

1268
00:59:18,010 --> 00:59:14,420
search in the lakes and in their case

1269
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:18,020
files in more than 1,000 witnesses or

1270
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:22,640
named so they put in tremendous amount

1271
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:24,950
of effort trying to find an answer to

1272
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:28,730
all this and on July the 19th four

1273
00:59:32,380 --> 00:59:29,870
different

1274
00:59:34,780 --> 00:59:32,390
rockets crashed in lakes within a couple

1275
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:34,790
of hours in different parts of Sweden

1276
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:37,010
mostly in the north apart northern part

1277
00:59:41,020 --> 00:59:39,080
of Sweden and at that time they didn't

1278
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,030
have mobile telephones it was not on the

1279
00:59:46,300 --> 00:59:43,280
radio it was not in the newspapers the

1280
00:59:50,050 --> 00:59:46,310
same same evening so they were seeing

1281
00:59:51,940 --> 00:59:50,060
this those crashes independently of each

1282
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:51,950
other four crashes and the military

1283
00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:54,110
spent weeks trying to find the answer to

1284
01:00:00,070 --> 00:59:57,830
that but August came military pilot

1285
01:00:02,260 --> 01:00:00,080
chased one of those ghost rockets

1286
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:02,270
together with his co-pilot and I could

1287
01:00:08,890 --> 01:00:05,510
see it for a couple of minutes I spoken

1288
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:08,900
to the pilot many many times and he was

1289
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:11,570
trying to chase it but he was out flown

1290
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:14,930
by it yeah yes just released when it

1291
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:19,730
comes to UFOs and this still this

1292
01:00:24,370 --> 01:00:22,010
observations still came to the military

1293
01:00:28,690 --> 01:00:24,380
were report to the military up in

1294
01:00:31,390 --> 01:00:28,700
October but at taubah November it really

1295
01:00:35,660 --> 01:00:31,400
ended and the December the Swedish

1296
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:35,670
military published draft a report

1297
01:00:41,660 --> 01:00:38,250
telling that this was something real it

1298
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:41,670
was something that had crashed it was

1299
01:00:49,130 --> 01:00:44,880
not just astronomical misidentifications

1300
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:49,140
it was someone trying to pinpoint Sweden

1301
01:00:54,349 --> 01:00:51,690
in some way that didn't understand well

1302
01:00:57,859 --> 01:00:54,359
let me let me ask a quick question

1303
01:01:02,630 --> 01:00:57,869
we're there reports of these objects

1304
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:02,640
actually performing turns using some

1305
01:01:08,359 --> 01:01:05,250
sort of avoidance flight patterns or

1306
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:08,369
these just straight trajectory flight

1307
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:10,980
paths like you would imagine a a missile

1308
01:01:13,819 --> 01:01:11,760
or a rocket

1309
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:13,829
do we have any sense of these things

1310
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:16,980
having some sort of remote control or

1311
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:18,990
intelligent control where they're trying

1312
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:22,410
to evade fighters making turns that sort

1313
01:01:26,059 --> 01:01:23,819
of thing there are a couple of

1314
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:26,069
observations where there are people have

1315
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:30,299
seen those rockets turning nearly 90

1316
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:33,270
degrees turning corners as you say so

1317
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:36,119
the Swedish pilot took tried to chase

1318
01:01:43,250 --> 01:01:39,210
this rocket that rocket did just fly

1319
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:43,260
straight but straight into storm area an

1320
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:45,630
area that he the pilot had tried to

1321
01:01:51,549 --> 01:01:48,210
avoid because it was dangerous to flying

1322
01:01:56,990 --> 01:01:51,559
to put a rocket flow straight into this

1323
01:02:00,980 --> 01:01:57,000
this storm area the those were crashing

1324
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:00,990
into lakes usually went like a ballistic

1325
01:02:07,099 --> 01:02:04,109
missile crashing straight into the lake

1326
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,109
but as you may know your for sweden are

1327
01:02:12,829 --> 01:02:09,599
now trying to find one of those ghost

1328
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:12,839
rockets from 1980 because they are still

1329
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:15,210
coming that's the one question I wanted

1330
01:02:19,039 --> 01:02:17,339
to pursue at this point because we want

1331
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:19,049
to get into that documentary you folks

1332
01:02:25,849 --> 01:02:21,569
have produced and that is this is not

1333
01:02:28,339 --> 01:02:25,859
something that began and ended though in

1334
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:28,349
World War two it goes on to the present

1335
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:29,970
day you know gonna ask you for a quick

1336
01:02:33,530 --> 01:02:31,319
answer because we have about a minute

1337
01:02:34,910 --> 01:02:33,540
before we have to do our break but this

1338
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:34,920
is something that is an ongoing

1339
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:37,589
phenomenon correct correct

1340
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:40,910
it is and people are seeing the same

1341
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:44,040
modus operandi from them today they are

1342
01:02:48,740 --> 01:02:46,410
still flying in daylight you're still

1343
01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:48,750
crashing into lakes the military have

1344
01:02:53,420 --> 01:02:51,270
being trying to find them in those legs

1345
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:53,430
a couple of times but they have not

1346
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:55,920
found anything now this is something I

1347
01:03:00,260 --> 01:02:57,480
want to ask you about for our next

1348
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,270
segment and that is why do you think if

1349
01:03:05,330 --> 01:03:02,880
we have physical aircraft physically

1350
01:03:07,850 --> 01:03:05,340
crashing into a physical lake we can't

1351
01:03:09,740 --> 01:03:07,860
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this is actually you're listening to the

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so let's check into that into that

1463
01:08:21,450 --> 01:08:19,869
question why do you think cross fun we

1464
01:08:24,089 --> 01:08:21,460
can't find the wreckage but we're seeing

1465
01:08:26,010 --> 01:08:24,099
them crash what's going on here yeah you

1466
01:08:28,620 --> 01:08:26,020
really cannot understand what's going on

1467
01:08:32,010 --> 01:08:28,630
when one of the V bombs

1468
01:08:35,249 --> 01:08:32,020
Hitler's vengeance weapons crashed in

1469
01:08:37,919 --> 01:08:35,259
1944 once we destroyed if you could

1470
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:37,929
found two thousand two hundred kilos of

1471
01:08:43,919 --> 01:08:41,710
debris loads of it loads of it and just

1472
01:08:45,780 --> 01:08:43,929
two years after there less than two

1473
01:08:49,530 --> 01:08:45,790
yourself to that to go stroke it away

1474
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:49,540
starch and the crashing it's nothing

1475
01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:52,210
they found nothing at all and that is

1476
01:08:56,399 --> 01:08:54,369
the mystery that's one of the things

1477
01:08:59,579 --> 01:08:56,409
that keep me ticking and are wondering

1478
01:09:01,769 --> 01:08:59,589
what is really behind this I don't have

1479
01:09:05,370 --> 01:09:01,779
the answer but it's a big big question

1480
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:05,380
mark and it's something that you really

1481
01:09:10,289 --> 01:09:07,449
cannot see an easy answer to at this

1482
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:10,299
moment isn't that weird let me ask you

1483
01:09:15,450 --> 01:09:12,730
something else here and this raises the

1484
01:09:17,129 --> 01:09:15,460
red herring in the room now there is a

1485
01:09:19,829 --> 01:09:17,139
book that came out a couple of years

1486
01:09:21,959 --> 01:09:19,839
back by a former international director

1487
01:09:24,599 --> 01:09:21,969
of MUFON by the name of James carrion

1488
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:24,609
called the Rosetta deception are you

1489
01:09:28,169 --> 01:09:25,449
familiar with it

1490
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:28,179
yeah okay the theory being that this was

1491
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,409
just a US intelligence trick to scam the

1492
01:09:36,390 --> 01:09:34,480
Russians spook the Russians that sort of

1493
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:36,400
thing never really happened and

1494
01:09:41,399 --> 01:09:38,650
obviously if it's still going on that

1495
01:09:43,709 --> 01:09:41,409
certainly raises a big question mark

1496
01:09:47,519 --> 01:09:43,719
here what's your opinion about the book

1497
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:47,529
I don't think it was us deception at all

1498
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:51,130
the u.s. was at that time very much

1499
01:09:56,879 --> 01:09:54,400
interested in the ghost rockets as the

1500
01:10:00,359 --> 01:09:56,889
British we have found documents both in

1501
01:10:03,660 --> 01:10:00,369
Washington and in London where you can

1502
01:10:05,879 --> 01:10:03,670
see this huge interest from both sides

1503
01:10:07,979 --> 01:10:05,889
to try to find out what really was

1504
01:10:11,070 --> 01:10:07,989
behind the ghost rockets they didn't

1505
01:10:13,229 --> 01:10:11,080
know it's impossible to see how a

1506
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,239
deception like that could have been

1507
01:10:18,540 --> 01:10:16,000
orchestrated it was happening all around

1508
01:10:21,700 --> 01:10:18,550
Sweden Finland and Norway in small small

1509
01:10:24,620 --> 01:10:21,710
communities people who really had

1510
01:10:28,010 --> 01:10:24,630
big problems to be affected by only and

1511
01:10:30,170 --> 01:10:28,020
in notions from from the US they really

1512
01:10:33,290 --> 01:10:30,180
saw what they saw they heard what I

1513
01:10:35,780 --> 01:10:33,300
heard so no I don't think I don't think

1514
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:35,790
it's like that at all this is something

1515
01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:38,070
quite different but what I don't have

1516
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:40,110
the answer to that it's interesting here

1517
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:42,780
that carry on and his research uncovered

1518
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:44,310
all sorts of government documents it

1519
01:10:47,810 --> 01:10:45,600
seemed to indicate they were pulling

1520
01:10:49,670 --> 01:10:47,820
some kind of stunt is it possible they

1521
01:10:54,670 --> 01:10:49,680
were merely taking advantage of ghost

1522
01:10:58,100 --> 01:10:54,680
rockets to 1946 well the war was over

1523
01:11:00,710 --> 01:10:58,110
the V bombs were transported to America

1524
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:00,720
or into the Soviet Union at that time I

1525
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:04,080
was surely what they could benefit from

1526
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:08,490
it except trying to make Sweden closer

1527
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:11,250
to NATO or to tell us

1528
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:15,000
I mean Sweden was really quite close to

1529
01:11:21,770 --> 01:11:19,050
the u.s. at that time I cannot see the

1530
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:21,780
benefits from it clearly so it was just

1531
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:26,490
well a theory that didn't pan out I mean

1532
01:11:34,100 --> 01:11:30,210
I can't see anything any of those traces

1533
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,110
found in the Swedish archives we will

1534
01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:36,480
some polish all of the Swedish War

1535
01:11:42,260 --> 01:11:39,780
archive those rocket documents online in

1536
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:42,270
English there will be translated for the

1537
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:44,330
first time in history

1538
01:11:51,230 --> 01:11:48,090
so probably before the end of the year

1539
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or around the new year we will publish

1540
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:54,630
them and people can visit this website

1541
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for free they can read they can try to

1542
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:02,010
help us find patterns solutions new

1543
01:12:08,540 --> 01:12:05,570
questions they could the right and then

1544
01:12:11,690 --> 01:12:08,550
they could deal with the documents in in

1545
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:11,700
a way that maybe giving us some clue to

1546
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:14,070
what really happened just a

1547
01:12:19,340 --> 01:12:17,370
parenthetical question here now I don't

1548
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:19,350
say I know everything or much of

1549
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:21,630
anything and I don't play an expert on

1550
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:24,000
TV either but before I heard about your

1551
01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:26,910
documentary in your research I was under

1552
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:28,590
the impression as most of us are in the

1553
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:30,990
states where the colonies as they call

1554
01:12:36,779 --> 01:12:32,289
us in the UK

1555
01:12:38,579 --> 01:12:36,789
then the ghost Rockets happened to be a

1556
01:12:41,459 --> 01:12:38,589
series of events that occurred during

1557
01:12:43,079 --> 01:12:41,469
World War two and now you're telling us

1558
01:12:44,909 --> 01:12:43,089
this is an ongoing thing we're still

1559
01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:44,919
seeing them why is it that that

1560
01:12:50,129 --> 01:12:47,260
information hasn't filtered across the

1561
01:12:53,459 --> 01:12:50,139
Atlantic it's very important to say that

1562
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:53,469
the ghost Rockets started in 1946 after

1563
01:12:58,349 --> 01:12:56,169
the world war there were no observations

1564
01:13:00,059 --> 01:12:58,359
during the World War two you can know

1565
01:13:02,339 --> 01:13:00,069
you are talking about the Foo Fighters

1566
01:13:05,609 --> 01:13:02,349
you're in the world war two completely

1567
01:13:08,869 --> 01:13:05,619
different thing rim so it's not in 1946

1568
01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:08,879
and well I've been writing about this

1569
01:13:15,599 --> 01:13:12,369
even in books in America so if you read

1570
01:13:17,159 --> 01:13:15,609
them you would have known it and of

1571
01:13:19,109 --> 01:13:17,169
course I've been talking about this on

1572
01:13:19,500 --> 01:13:19,119
different talk shows and on Discovery

1573
01:13:22,409 --> 01:13:19,510
Channel

1574
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:22,419
that's your graphic whatever a couple of

1575
01:13:26,879 --> 01:13:25,510
times so I mean if you're listening I'm

1576
01:13:29,369 --> 01:13:26,889
there

1577
01:13:32,549 --> 01:13:29,379
and we also writes about this on our web

1578
01:13:35,609 --> 01:13:32,559
page so it's not hidden knowledge really

1579
01:13:38,669 --> 01:13:35,619
but of course we thought that well-known

1580
01:13:40,799 --> 01:13:38,679
I don't understand that but I

1581
01:13:44,759 --> 01:13:40,809
investigated so many crashes and so many

1582
01:13:48,059 --> 01:13:44,769
observations from 1947 up until the

1583
01:13:52,289 --> 01:13:48,069
2000s so I can say they are they are

1584
01:13:54,109 --> 01:13:52,299
still here in a way well can you give us

1585
01:13:57,779 --> 01:13:54,119
a sense of how many reports have been

1586
01:13:59,309 --> 01:13:57,789
you know filed down to the decades I

1587
01:14:02,539 --> 01:13:59,319
mean are we looking at something that's

1588
01:14:05,939 --> 01:14:02,549
fairly consistent or absent flows I

1589
01:14:10,109 --> 01:14:05,949
should say that they are the scores from

1590
01:14:14,309 --> 01:14:10,119
now today not as many as in the 1970s

1591
01:14:22,829 --> 01:14:14,319
1980s usually four or five observations

1592
01:14:27,509 --> 01:14:22,839
a year maybe in the 1950s 60s junior to

1593
01:14:30,899 --> 01:14:27,519
thousands just a few maybe maybe 10 or

1594
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:30,909
so since the year 2000 but they are

1595
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:33,010
still very good they are they they like

1596
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:36,369
observations they are seeing maneuvering

1597
01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:41,320
over nights or over

1598
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:46,190
wooden areas not over city's really not

1599
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:50,060
that many crashes now I would assume

1600
01:14:55,540 --> 01:14:52,370
after world war two we had gotten all

1601
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:55,550
this evidence of German technology and

1602
01:14:58,600 --> 01:14:56,810
we're playing around with it and

1603
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:58,610
certainly other countries might like

1604
01:15:04,540 --> 01:15:01,280
Russia is it possible at least the early

1605
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:04,550
ghost rockets were test aircraft of some

1606
01:15:10,270 --> 01:15:08,480
sort no that's impossible really if you

1607
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:10,280
look at the track record from the V

1608
01:15:17,950 --> 01:15:14,800
bombs the v1 and v2 they were very very

1609
01:15:19,630 --> 01:15:17,960
difficult to give right the right course

1610
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:19,640
they're very difficult to give the right

1611
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:23,120
altitude to give the right amount of

1612
01:15:28,930 --> 01:15:26,690
trust they fell all over the place

1613
01:15:32,380 --> 01:15:28,940
really and most of them were launched

1614
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:32,390
from from Holland against London which

1615
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is not very far it's not so many miles

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but now you're talking about in 1946

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trajectories that must have taken them

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from the very north of the Baltic area

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after a very north of Sweden which is

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say 2500 kilometers something like that

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you cannot find a technology like that

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at that time but interesting is to read

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the Swedish military when they are

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speculating about the ghost rockets they

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do write that they probably are

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monitored by TV it's a TV camera in

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certain someone is steering them from

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far away and they are also speculating

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they could be nuclear-powered so they

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really thought those were high tech as

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much high tech you can think of at that

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time

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sounds like drones to me but we'll ask

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more about that in a moment

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yeah class fun joining us with Jean and

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before we go on you have this

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documentary about ghost rockets and you

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tell us about that and then we'll get

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more into the possibility of ghost

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rocket drones five and a half year ago

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TV producer approached just asking if

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they could make a documentary about U of

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A Sweden we said yes and they have been

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following us for four and a half years

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I've been bouncing the year ago now they

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plan from the beginning just to make a

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film about you or for Sweden we started

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this project trying to find the ghost

1756
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rocket that landed and sank in the lake

1757
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in the very north of Sweden in 1980 so

1758
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that is the really the big thing in the

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movie now they are following this

1760
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investigation and it's a good movie it's

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been out on documentary film festivals

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it will soon be competing in the

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Copenhagen Film Festival it will be

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broadcasted in Canada will be broadcast

1765
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in Denmark in Finland Norway and Sweden

1766
01:22:17,419 --> 01:22:15,390
of course and probably other countries

1767
01:22:18,919 --> 01:22:17,429
as well so it's been very very well

1768
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:18,929
received this forum

1769
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:24,210
you mentioned radiation and that nuclear

1770
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power may have been involved have any

1771
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:31,050
investigators detected heightened levels

1772
01:22:36,919 --> 01:22:33,570
of radiation that would suggest some

1773
01:22:39,500 --> 01:22:36,929
sort of nuclear component to these

1774
01:22:43,580 --> 01:22:39,510
sightings and these subsequent crashes

1775
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:43,590
into legs this crash July nineteenth

1776
01:22:47,990 --> 01:22:45,449
nineteen forty six were four different

1777
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:48,000
those rockets crashed in four different

1778
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lakes within a couple of hours at that

1779
01:22:57,709 --> 01:22:54,570
time the very day after crash happened

1780
01:23:00,050 --> 01:22:57,719
the Swedish military sent a team trying

1781
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to see if they could find a trace of

1782
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nuclear waste in the lake and I really

1783
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tried hard to find any trace but they

1784
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:11,400
didn't and I never found any traces in

1785
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another lakes as well

1786
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in 1988 this

1787
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like no matter where we are trying to

1788
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find this clothes rocket the Swedish

1789
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military something helicopter and they

1790
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landed the shore of the lake and they

1791
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found some dead fishes and they thought

1792
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the fish was killed by some radiation

1793
01:23:40,370 --> 01:23:38,010
leak from the ragazze rocket but soon

1794
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they found out it was natural causes

1795
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:44,209
fire by something quite different and

1796
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but they had thought in that direction

1797
01:23:52,609 --> 01:23:49,949
but many many occasions during the

1798
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investigation oh yeah

1799
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James carians was that a deception

1800
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:00,119
contention that there were there was a

1801
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wave of these types of objects seen down

1802
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in the Mediterranean Sea and around the

1803
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areas of southern Europe have you done

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01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:12,329
any looking into that potential scenario

1805
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and can you equate with that particular

1806
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wave with anything that was going on up

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in Scandinavia there are a few reports

1808
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from Greece and from Italy

1809
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not not many and most of them are on

1810
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lights in the sky a Greek investigator

1811
01:24:43,699 --> 01:24:38,760
had gone through newspapers from 1946

1812
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and found 30 or 40 articles newspaper

1813
01:24:49,339 --> 01:24:47,219
articles about observations but they had

1814
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never been investigated by an apologist

1815
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:53,300
or the military at that time didn't take

1816
01:24:59,779 --> 01:24:58,170
witness accounts so they are not really

1817
01:25:02,180 --> 01:24:59,789
investigated they are just newspaper

1818
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,190
reports as far as I can see and they

1819
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really are not just oh just once up in

1820
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Scandinavia you find no traces of

1821
01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:11,099
crashes into lakes works okay and these

1822
01:25:17,890 --> 01:25:14,550
are mainly nighttime sightings that they

1823
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have been possibly misidentified or

1824
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equated to the ghost rocket sighting

1825
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:24,809
yeah many of them are and of course no

1826
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structures were widely covered by media

1827
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:29,420
hora

1828
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the world today were very well known how

1829
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about documentation of Jimmy Doolittle

1830
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who of course was one of the top

1831
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generals in the Army Air Force at the

1832
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:44,510
time the 46:47 wave occurred he was sent

1833
01:25:52,510 --> 01:25:48,409
up there to investigate this whole you

1834
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:52,520
know mystery if you will do you have any

1835
01:26:00,090 --> 01:25:55,610
sort of sense of how the Swedish

1836
01:26:02,500 --> 01:26:00,100
military you know responded to him

1837
01:26:06,970 --> 01:26:02,510
arriving saying hey you know Here I am

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I'm the guy the bomb Tokyo give us a

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sense of how the American interest in

1840
01:26:14,260 --> 01:26:11,690
this whole thing may have been

1841
01:26:15,939 --> 01:26:14,270
documented locally there I mean it's

1842
01:26:17,890 --> 01:26:15,949
very much in dispute

1843
01:26:20,919 --> 01:26:17,900
that he was here just for the ghost

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01:26:24,399 --> 01:26:20,929
rockets probably was here for many other

1845
01:26:29,050 --> 01:26:24,409
causes particular Rockets were one thing

1846
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that he was interested in and it took it

1847
01:26:33,459 --> 01:26:31,159
took up the subject with the the Swedish

1848
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military of the dinner and that's the

1849
01:26:40,090 --> 01:26:36,320
really the only occasion that I have

1850
01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:40,100
seen documented that he he asked about

1851
01:26:44,770 --> 01:26:42,500
the ghost rockets they didn't

1852
01:26:46,649 --> 01:26:44,780
investigate anything he didn't get any

1853
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,659
paperwork's from the Swedish military

1854
01:26:51,790 --> 01:26:49,280
they were just talking over over over

1855
01:26:53,859 --> 01:26:51,800
dinner it's more like that that the

1856
01:26:58,899 --> 01:26:53,869
British were much more interested they

1857
01:27:01,300 --> 01:26:58,909
were they had a standby task force ready

1858
01:27:01,919 --> 01:27:01,310
to go to Sweden at a very very short

1859
01:27:04,660 --> 01:27:01,929
notice

1860
01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:04,670
coming here with radar equipment trying

1861
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:06,830
to help us to find a solution but they

1862
01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:08,330
were stopped by the swedish prime

1863
01:27:15,490 --> 01:27:11,810
minister so there they never came here

1864
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:15,500
they sent a couple of officers here to

1865
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:18,409
discuss the matter with the Swedish Air

1866
01:27:23,350 --> 01:27:21,679
Force but that was all but you can see

1867
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:23,360
the documents in the in the British

1868
01:27:29,530 --> 01:27:25,550
files that they were very very annoyed

1869
01:27:32,729 --> 01:27:29,540
not being able to come here they called

1870
01:27:36,209 --> 01:27:32,739
the Swedish Prime Minister cowardly and

1871
01:27:39,490 --> 01:27:36,219
they didn't like his decision at all

1872
01:27:42,209 --> 01:27:39,500
well that's that's unfortunate

1873
01:27:44,399 --> 01:27:42,219
it doesn't sound very diplomatic to me

1874
01:27:45,899 --> 01:27:44,409
I guess everything at the at the end of

1875
01:27:48,989 --> 01:27:45,909
World War two I mean there was a

1876
01:27:53,069 --> 01:27:48,999
euphoria that the Nazis had been had

1877
01:27:56,819 --> 01:27:53,079
been defeated you have all sorts of

1878
01:27:58,669 --> 01:27:56,829
social upheaval I mean much of Europe is

1879
01:28:02,640 --> 01:27:58,679
in ruins

1880
01:28:04,410 --> 01:28:02,650
it's it's pretty amazing that many of

1881
01:28:06,839 --> 01:28:04,420
these sightings were able to be

1882
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documented at all and and that

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subsequently the the newspapers in the

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area would would mention these these

1885
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inexplicable you know aerial objects if

1886
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you will how many sightings can you

1887
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divvy up a percentage of sightings over

1888
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Sweden vs. Norway versus Finland versus

1889
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Denmark because everybody at least to my

1890
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knowledge in this country when we think

1891
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of the ghost rockets we think kind of a

1892
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generalised Scandinavia but to my

1893
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knowledge the majority of these reports

1894
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were over Sweden how many other

1895
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attendant reports were you know in these

1896
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other surrounding countries you could

1897
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say that it's 1,000 reports were from

1898
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Sweden if you look at the military files

1899
01:29:01,830 --> 01:28:59,499
but of course not everyone called the

1900
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military so it's much much more we have

1901
01:29:07,319 --> 01:29:04,150
found so many more so a couple of

1902
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thousands it should be in the end maybe

1903
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a couple of hundred reporting in Norway

1904
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and a couple of hundred in Finland and

1905
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maybe a 40 or 50 in Dunmore something

1906
01:29:19,950 --> 01:29:17,829
like that well so a couple of thousand

1907
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now are these individual reports or just

1908
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witnesses of events there is one big

1909
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event in the summer seen by hundreds of

1910
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people right that I think you can't you

1911
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can say that around seven or eight

1912
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hundred reports or individual reports at

1913
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least from Sweden so individual events

1914
01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:43,809
report by multiple people yeah okay how

1915
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about further over Finland into western

1916
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Russia do we have any sense that the the

1917
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Russians were experiencing something as

1918
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well if you go further east

1919
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I mean they were mocking sweets about

1920
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those close rockets and right but do we

1921
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have any any idea or sense that they

1922
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were actually experiencing similar

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similar events no not really

1924
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we have tried to see if we can find

1925
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anything from Russia and we have been to

1926
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Moscow a couple of times trying to find

1927
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paper works but this for really nothing

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well maybe of course Putin has it under

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his mattress that's all a surreal it is

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right there we got we solve the problem

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Vaughn is joining Jen and Chris you're

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over the radio you can believe what you

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01:34:27,230 --> 01:34:25,140
were hearing you trusted them how could

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you have not seen the signs you felt

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weeks and months then you forgot but

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they haven't they're still monitoring

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2040
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bar will you forget hi this is Bryce

2042
01:35:00,710 --> 01:34:58,530
Abel I'm the producer of dark skies the

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01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:00,720
co-author of AD after disclosure and you

2044
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:02,910
are listening to the podcast the gold

2045
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[Music]

2046
01:35:17,069 --> 01:35:15,520
just want to say something here costs I

2047
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:17,079
have not heard of your work before we

2048
01:35:22,050 --> 01:35:19,810
did this show and I just really applaud

2049
01:35:25,140 --> 01:35:22,060
your level-headed approach the subject

2050
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:25,150
we don't hear any wacky stuff just facts

2051
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:27,610
figures trying to figure out a genuine

2052
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:29,530
mystery and trying to know what's going

2053
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:31,510
on Wow coming from Yugi and I mean you

2054
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:36,010
not verily rarely acknowledge somebody's

2055
01:35:41,010 --> 01:35:38,320
objectivity in this subject area so

2056
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,020
class that was a real compliment but we

2057
01:35:47,939 --> 01:35:43,920
have to deal with a lot of subjective

2058
01:35:50,459 --> 01:35:47,949
guests on the show the method that

2059
01:35:52,890 --> 01:35:50,469
really brings out the subjective from

2060
01:35:55,229 --> 01:35:52,900
people who live actually equated it to

2061
01:35:58,800 --> 01:35:55,239
the birth of a new 21st century religion

2062
01:36:01,290 --> 01:35:58,810
or in post 20th century religion so I

2063
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:01,300
mean the whole belief thing in this this

2064
01:36:08,069 --> 01:36:05,710
arena it gets a little bit disturbing I

2065
01:36:12,330 --> 01:36:08,079
think would be a good word it's a very

2066
01:36:15,209 --> 01:36:12,340
big problem for UFO research overall the

2067
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:15,219
people are believing and they are trying

2068
01:36:20,430 --> 01:36:17,440
to defend their ideas instead of

2069
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:20,440
investigating the subject and there's

2070
01:36:25,229 --> 01:36:22,690
intellectual dishonesty where they throw

2071
01:36:28,109 --> 01:36:25,239
out data that doesn't conform to their

2072
01:36:31,140 --> 01:36:28,119
foregone conclusion yeah yeah I'm sorry

2073
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:31,150
to say I've seen a lot of that yeah but

2074
01:36:35,669 --> 01:36:33,070
looking over this entire picture here

2075
01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:35,679
just very briefly obviously you're

2076
01:36:39,330 --> 01:36:37,360
investigating a phenomenon that is

2077
01:36:43,140 --> 01:36:39,340
consistent it's happening year after

2078
01:36:46,020 --> 01:36:43,150
year tons of data looking at all this do

2079
01:36:48,200 --> 01:36:46,030
you at all subscribe to the possibility

2080
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:48,210
this is a visitation by

2081
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:50,650
extraterrestrials or something else or a

2082
01:36:55,500 --> 01:36:53,170
mixture of different sources I think

2083
01:36:59,129 --> 01:36:55,510
when it comes to your force it's a

2084
01:37:03,870 --> 01:36:59,139
mixture of different explanations so

2085
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:03,880
much is happening inside people so the

2086
01:37:10,350 --> 01:37:07,810
witnesses are our main goal to

2087
01:37:13,620 --> 01:37:10,360
investigate I mean you must really know

2088
01:37:16,589 --> 01:37:13,630
a lot of thing things about psychology

2089
01:37:18,810 --> 01:37:16,599
within psychology to be able to deal

2090
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:18,820
with UFO observations if you don't know

2091
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:21,679
that you are out on very thin ice

2092
01:37:27,399 --> 01:37:25,280
I spent hours to try to teach the new

2093
01:37:29,799 --> 01:37:27,409
field the investigators about within

2094
01:37:31,449 --> 01:37:29,809
psychology about misinterpretations I

2095
01:37:34,449 --> 01:37:31,459
give a lecture that is two and a half

2096
01:37:39,879 --> 01:37:34,459
hour long just about what you can see in

2097
01:37:40,449 --> 01:37:39,889
the sky and misinterpret so you must do

2098
01:37:43,089 --> 01:37:40,459
your homework

2099
01:37:45,250 --> 01:37:43,099
and you don't do that easily you have to

2100
01:37:46,899 --> 01:37:45,260
do that you're in the years and you have

2101
01:37:50,049 --> 01:37:46,909
to visit quite a lot of people you have

2102
01:37:52,060 --> 01:37:50,059
to deal with the witnesses I try and

2103
01:37:54,449 --> 01:37:52,070
after that you are learning this subject

2104
01:37:56,939 --> 01:37:54,459
well have you ever thought about

2105
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emigrating to the United States and

2106
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becoming a voice of reason within the

2107
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field of UFOs here in the US because we

2108
01:38:08,949 --> 01:38:06,729
could use that kind of approach that

2109
01:38:11,350 --> 01:38:08,959
you're preaching to the choir here at

2110
01:38:14,020 --> 01:38:11,360
the para cast we were not a true

2111
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:14,030
believer crowd we really you know

2112
01:38:18,489 --> 01:38:16,010
extraordinary claims require at least a

2113
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:18,499
little bit of evidence you know yeah you

2114
01:38:22,719 --> 01:38:21,110
know I must say it's quite refreshing to

2115
01:38:26,589 --> 01:38:22,729
have somebody on the show that really

2116
01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:26,599
champions a sober grounded objective

2117
01:38:32,830 --> 01:38:30,289
approach to this mystery and and I

2118
01:38:34,540 --> 01:38:32,840
applaud your efforts and I'm one of the

2119
01:38:36,879 --> 01:38:34,550
reasons why I thought it was a great

2120
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:36,889
idea to have you on the show is to

2121
01:38:42,549 --> 01:38:39,650
present to our audience you know the way

2122
01:38:46,209 --> 01:38:42,559
that an approach can be taken that

2123
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doesn't have to involve believing in

2124
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aliens believing in this believing in

2125
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:51,409
that it's like let's look at the data

2126
01:38:56,799 --> 01:38:54,650
let's ascertain to the best of our

2127
01:38:58,330 --> 01:38:56,809
abilities what's going on and I really

2128
01:39:00,399 --> 01:38:58,340
you know I don't want to sound like I'm

2129
01:39:03,370 --> 01:39:00,409
but kissing as some of our listeners

2130
01:39:05,469 --> 01:39:03,380
would say but know that this is really

2131
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refreshing and and thank you so much for

2132
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for taking that particular approach I

2133
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think it's important and what one of the

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things that we are trying to do to help

2135
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others to do the same is the archives

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2139
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interested into the paranormal in a very

2140
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wide meaning can use we had a history

2141
01:39:35,470 --> 01:39:33,340
professor from Penn State University

2142
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2143
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01:40:02,830 --> 01:40:00,320
you can imagine and this is for you to

2151
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,840
use it's for the research is to use for

2152
01:40:07,479 --> 01:40:05,360
the believers for for the skeptics for

2153
01:40:09,670 --> 01:40:07,489
anyone who's interested in the subject

2154
01:40:12,700 --> 01:40:09,680
that was in my backyard

2155
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:12,710
I really do

2156
01:40:17,140 --> 01:40:14,960
well all right we're just looking at the

2157
01:40:20,140 --> 01:40:17,150
various solutions here and we mentioned

2158
01:40:23,650 --> 01:40:20,150
something internal are we dealing here

2159
01:40:27,580 --> 01:40:23,660
with something that is akin to a psychic

2160
01:40:28,990 --> 01:40:27,590
experience but manifests itself as a UFO

2161
01:40:31,390 --> 01:40:29,000
because of our pop culture that's

2162
01:40:34,420 --> 01:40:31,400
another theory that is certainly

2163
01:40:37,120 --> 01:40:34,430
entertained by some I mean you have to

2164
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:37,130
think along those lines so sometimes

2165
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,610
because you can see very easily that

2166
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:42,800
people are interpreting what they see in

2167
01:40:47,650 --> 01:40:45,650
the heavens from the very social context

2168
01:40:51,670 --> 01:40:47,660
they are living in if you look back in

2169
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:51,680
the 1896 1897 an airship wave as you

2170
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:53,690
mentioned before in the program people

2171
01:40:58,900 --> 01:40:56,690
didn't see any crafts at all but just

2172
01:41:01,479 --> 01:40:58,910
lights in the sky but when they draw

2173
01:41:04,540 --> 01:41:01,489
them when they told about them they were

2174
01:41:07,210 --> 01:41:04,550
they were drawing elongated objects with

2175
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:07,220
small or large wings flapping flying

2176
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:10,250
like a bird I wanted to clarify that

2177
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:11,930
that's really something very interesting

2178
01:41:18,190 --> 01:41:14,330
here okay so they're only seeing lights

2179
01:41:21,190 --> 01:41:18,200
in the sky yeah but from the eyes to the

2180
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,200
brain to the hand to write it down it

2181
01:41:25,660 --> 01:41:23,600
becomes an airship yeah because that was

2182
01:41:27,100 --> 01:41:25,670
the only thing they could fly I mean

2183
01:41:29,650 --> 01:41:27,110
they couldn't really imagine anything

2184
01:41:32,470 --> 01:41:29,660
else that could fly and those lights in

2185
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:32,480
the sky they thought at least were

2186
01:41:38,020 --> 01:41:35,930
flying around up there and the next big

2187
01:41:41,290 --> 01:41:38,030
wave in in Scandinavia was the ghost

2188
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:41,300
flier in the 1930s when people saw

2189
01:41:45,970 --> 01:41:43,280
mostly I read I think a couple of

2190
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:45,980
thousand reports from the 1930s they saw

2191
01:41:49,330 --> 01:41:48,170
lights in the sky as well that they

2192
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:49,340
thought they were

2193
01:41:54,570 --> 01:41:51,890
our aircraft because aircraft was the

2194
01:41:58,170 --> 01:41:54,580
top-notch thing to see at that time and

2195
01:42:01,000 --> 01:41:58,180
during the World War two people in those

2196
01:42:03,790 --> 01:42:01,010
bombers over Germany or any other

2197
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:03,800
theater they saw those Foo Fighters

2198
01:42:08,500 --> 01:42:05,690
following their aircraft and they

2199
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:08,510
thought they were top-notch military

2200
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:11,420
craft from Nazi Germany following the

2201
01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:14,210
aircraft and certain came to ghost

2202
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:18,710
rockets like the V bombs in a new way

2203
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:21,770
mute much strange away I mean you must

2204
01:42:28,210 --> 01:42:24,170
realize that this is also something that

2205
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,220
you must you must have in mind when you

2206
01:42:33,580 --> 01:42:31,040
are trying to decipher this mystery so

2207
01:42:36,850 --> 01:42:33,590
what we see is not what we're getting

2208
01:42:39,010 --> 01:42:36,860
I think maybe even the ghost rockets are

2209
01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:39,020
just lights in the sky but interpreted

2210
01:42:44,290 --> 01:42:42,410
it as aircraft could be well there were

2211
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:44,300
a lot of really good daylight sightings

2212
01:42:48,180 --> 01:42:45,890
including some photographs that were

2213
01:42:51,220 --> 01:42:48,190
taken that would suggest something

2214
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:51,230
ballistic something more conventional as

2215
01:42:57,070 --> 01:42:53,630
Klaus mentioned there were there were

2216
01:43:00,190 --> 01:42:57,080
sounds equating the witnesses with the

2217
01:43:01,840 --> 01:43:00,200
objects there were contrails well I

2218
01:43:04,450 --> 01:43:01,850
understand I grant that but there is a

2219
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:04,460
physical perception but the question of

2220
01:43:10,180 --> 01:43:06,890
course is is that physical perception

2221
01:43:12,850 --> 01:43:10,190
real or something imagined to fill out

2222
01:43:14,770 --> 01:43:12,860
the details well if it's airship lady

2223
01:43:16,540 --> 01:43:14,780
there's gonna be a noise yeah I'm

2224
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,550
usually thinking along those lines but

2225
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:18,560
it comes to use ghost rockets those

2226
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:22,400
crashes were seen by 2030 people around

2227
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:25,040
the lake they heard the sound they so

2228
01:43:32,200 --> 01:43:27,890
the thing they saw the splash they heard

2229
01:43:34,300 --> 01:43:32,210
the crash they saw the debris on the

2230
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:34,310
shore I mean stones and mobbed and

2231
01:43:41,410 --> 01:43:37,450
things like that so it's one step ahead

2232
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:41,420
away from just being in the mind so that

2233
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:43,840
makes the ghost Rock it's a little more

2234
01:43:49,630 --> 01:43:46,970
and that's why I think that the ghost

2235
01:43:52,300 --> 01:43:49,640
rocket wave may be the most important

2236
01:43:54,940 --> 01:43:52,310
wave of activity in the history of

2237
01:43:57,550 --> 01:43:54,950
modern ufology because it predates the

2238
01:44:00,490 --> 01:43:57,560
whole flying saucer craze that ensued

2239
01:44:02,290 --> 01:44:00,500
during the summer of 47 I think it's

2240
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:02,300
important for people to understand

2241
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:04,880
we're dealing with with physical objects

2242
01:44:09,700 --> 01:44:07,040
that are like you say they're making

2243
01:44:12,609 --> 01:44:09,710
sounds they're splashing they're leaving

2244
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:12,619
behind debris now what sort of analysis

2245
01:44:17,950 --> 01:44:14,449
was done on some of this debris do we

2246
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:17,960
have any sort of metallurgical tests or

2247
01:44:24,250 --> 01:44:20,690
or any sort of science that was brought

2248
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:24,260
to bear the military got quite a few

2249
01:44:29,350 --> 01:44:26,239
samples sent from people all around

2250
01:44:31,839 --> 01:44:29,360
Sweden and nothing of it was anything

2251
01:44:36,189 --> 01:44:31,849
connected to because Rockets themselves

2252
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:36,199
it was many other things just ordinary

2253
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:39,440
stones and minerals debris in other

2254
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:44,000
debris but what we are trying to find up

2255
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:46,730
in this this lake up in number yar if I

2256
01:44:53,020 --> 01:44:51,920
could go to that in 1980 on July the

2257
01:44:56,379 --> 01:44:53,030
31st

2258
01:44:58,629 --> 01:44:56,389
two people in broad daylight are walking

2259
01:45:02,859 --> 01:44:58,639
up in this area of the National Park

2260
01:45:04,959 --> 01:45:02,869
they hear a sound they look to the south

2261
01:45:08,530 --> 01:45:04,969
and they see this ghost rocket with

2262
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:08,540
small wings coming flying less than 100

2263
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:11,510
George over them yeah that's a good

2264
01:45:16,180 --> 01:45:14,570
place for the cliffhanger yeah okay so

2265
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:16,190
let's have the cliffhanger and figure

2266
01:45:21,790 --> 01:45:18,610
out what this thing 100 yards away was

2267
01:45:28,990 --> 01:45:21,800
we have class fun with Gina and Chris

2268
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:29,000
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2269
01:45:39,260 --> 01:45:36,729
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2270
01:45:41,060 --> 01:45:39,270
first game attack of the rockets and it

2271
01:45:42,620 --> 01:45:41,070
was a critically acclaimed success and

2272
01:45:44,180 --> 01:45:42,630
now there is the coming of the

2273
01:45:46,700 --> 01:45:44,190
protectors a former military

2274
01:45:48,919 --> 01:45:46,710
intelligence man is contacted by a space

2275
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woman in a dream a dream that turns out

2276
01:45:52,970 --> 01:45:51,540
to be a nightmare because evil forces on

2277
01:45:54,109 --> 01:45:52,980
our distant planet are planning to

2278
01:45:56,450 --> 01:45:54,119
conquer the earth

2279
01:45:58,910 --> 01:45:56,460
this is gripping science fiction of the

2280
01:46:00,979 --> 01:45:58,920
classic kind attack of the rock codes

2281
01:46:03,740 --> 01:46:00,989
and the coming of the protectors find

2282
01:46:07,700 --> 01:46:03,750
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2283
01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:07,710
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2284
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happened I was placing an order online

2285
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:12,420
the site went down they just stopped

2286
01:46:16,609 --> 01:46:14,880
responding it took hours before it

2287
01:46:18,379 --> 01:46:16,619
returned but I'd already placed the

2288
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order with another company if your site

2289
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2290
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2291
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2292
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2293
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2321
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2322
01:47:41,210 --> 01:47:40,030
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2324
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2325
01:48:02,370 --> 01:47:53,489
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2326
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:02,380
here's Jane Steinberg as suspense is

2327
01:48:05,580 --> 01:48:05,290
killing us here classified what did they

2328
01:48:07,680 --> 01:48:05,590
see

2329
01:48:10,530 --> 01:48:07,690
they were just standing there on the

2330
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:10,540
shore and trying to take a break before

2331
01:48:15,660 --> 01:48:14,050
walking to the car which was my 20

2332
01:48:18,660 --> 01:48:15,670
kilometers away or something like that

2333
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:18,670
suddenly this sound make them to go

2334
01:48:24,149 --> 01:48:21,730
straight to the south and it's object

2335
01:48:28,260 --> 01:48:24,159
three or four meters in length maybe

2336
01:48:30,510 --> 01:48:28,270
we're flying just under 100 jobs over

2337
01:48:33,060 --> 01:48:30,520
them they could follow me flying over

2338
01:48:35,580 --> 01:48:33,070
them down to the lake which was behind

2339
01:48:38,959 --> 01:48:35,590
them and when they turned around they

2340
01:48:42,060 --> 01:48:38,969
saw this ghost rocket turning turning

2341
01:48:44,100 --> 01:48:42,070
flying back to watch them and they were

2342
01:48:47,220 --> 01:48:44,110
really scared because they thought this

2343
01:48:50,010 --> 01:48:47,230
is a missile this will it's a seen us

2344
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:50,020
now just for Americans sake four meters

2345
01:48:56,850 --> 01:48:53,130
is a bit over 13 feet not large at all

2346
01:48:58,500 --> 01:48:56,860
no no not large at all i mean IAM it's

2347
01:49:01,859 --> 01:48:58,510
like an ordinary ghost rocket it was

2348
01:49:05,810 --> 01:49:01,869
that kind of size in 1946 as well and

2349
01:49:08,609 --> 01:49:05,820
suddenly they see this craft not flying

2350
01:49:12,149 --> 01:49:08,619
against them anymore it is landing on

2351
01:49:15,839 --> 01:49:12,159
the lake with a splash and it's sinking

2352
01:49:19,859 --> 01:49:15,849
with bubbles coming up from the mortar

2353
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:19,869
and they just walk away they think it

2354
01:49:25,290 --> 01:49:22,480
will explode so they walk away and they

2355
01:49:28,109 --> 01:49:25,300
they go to the car and drive back to

2356
01:49:30,060 --> 01:49:28,119
stockholm which is quite far away but

2357
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:30,070
they tell the military when they are

2358
01:49:34,890 --> 01:49:32,530
back at home and the military start an

2359
01:49:36,810 --> 01:49:34,900
investigation and they send a helicopter

2360
01:49:38,580 --> 01:49:36,820
there and they are really trying to see

2361
01:49:40,410 --> 01:49:38,590
if they can find anything but they don't

2362
01:49:42,419 --> 01:49:40,420
so they just leave it

2363
01:49:45,450 --> 01:49:42,429
they shake everything check the radar

2364
01:49:47,609 --> 01:49:45,460
they shake what kind of aircraft there

2365
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:47,619
were in the area if there were Swedes in

2366
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,010
the area no nothing nothing at all so

2367
01:49:56,669 --> 01:49:53,199
now we are trying to see if we can find

2368
01:49:57,690 --> 01:49:56,679
this ghost rockets we went there in 2012

2369
01:50:05,380 --> 01:49:57,700
and

2370
01:50:08,710 --> 01:50:05,390
we may have seen something down in the

2371
01:50:10,570 --> 01:50:08,720
mud that maybe this construct I'm still

2372
01:50:13,330 --> 01:50:10,580
so worried here and concerned about the

2373
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:13,340
fact that we are constantly seeing these

2374
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:17,690
things crash into the water and at no

2375
01:50:24,850 --> 01:50:22,960
time do we ever see anything recovered

2376
01:50:26,830 --> 01:50:24,860
indications that there's something there

2377
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:26,840
well could you elaborate I mean this

2378
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:29,330
ghost rock it did not crash it landed

2379
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:33,530
and sank and to me it made sense to go

2380
01:50:37,960 --> 01:50:35,210
and look for it because if it's still

2381
01:50:42,010 --> 01:50:37,970
there it would be intact not in pieces

2382
01:50:45,430 --> 01:50:42,020
so we have shorter we have gone all over

2383
01:50:46,990 --> 01:50:45,440
the lake which was unsorted before it's

2384
01:50:50,350 --> 01:50:47,000
a very very shallow it's only four

2385
01:50:53,590 --> 01:50:50,360
meters deep for George oh man you should

2386
01:50:56,260 --> 01:50:53,600
be able to find something man-made in

2387
01:50:59,850 --> 01:50:56,270
there yeah but it's very muddy and the

2388
01:51:02,980 --> 01:50:59,860
mud is an additional four meters and

2389
01:51:05,190 --> 01:51:02,990
that creates some problems because this

2390
01:51:08,830 --> 01:51:05,200
gross Rock it should have sank

2391
01:51:11,080 --> 01:51:08,840
immediately into the mud and now we have

2392
01:51:15,550 --> 01:51:11,090
used an another kind of radar equipment

2393
01:51:18,010 --> 01:51:15,560
in 2014 and then we saw something in the

2394
01:51:21,130 --> 01:51:18,020
middle of the mud we cannot really tell

2395
01:51:22,990 --> 01:51:21,140
what it is we can say it's something big

2396
01:51:26,730 --> 01:51:23,000
it's something that shouldn't be there

2397
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,740
but it could be it could be a moose

2398
01:51:33,220 --> 01:51:29,360
could be reindeer that had gone through

2399
01:51:35,890 --> 01:51:33,230
the ice and and and round and just

2400
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:35,900
vanished but now we are returning with

2401
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:38,450
another piece of equipment that can make

2402
01:51:45,550 --> 01:51:41,410
a 3d radar return to us so we can see

2403
01:51:47,680 --> 01:51:45,560
exactly what's deep inside the mud and

2404
01:51:50,460 --> 01:51:47,690
that is the next project that we will do

2405
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,470
this winter or next winter it depends

2406
01:51:57,460 --> 01:51:53,360
wow that sounds like a great episode on

2407
01:52:00,580 --> 01:51:57,470
a cool you know UFO investigators show

2408
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:00,590
yeah bring a big old crane out there on

2409
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:03,770
a barge and start digging through the

2410
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:06,050
mud and pull something are very

2411
01:52:09,820 --> 01:52:07,970
problematic to do that I can tell you

2412
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:09,830
it's impossible to do that I mean you

2413
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:11,690
have to go by helicopter

2414
01:52:17,770 --> 01:52:14,480
or walk quite a distance in the woods to

2415
01:52:21,310 --> 01:52:17,780
go there and it's a national park we are

2416
01:52:23,439 --> 01:52:21,320
not even allowed to move the mud so if

2417
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:23,449
we're finding something we must deal

2418
01:52:28,150 --> 01:52:26,090
with the authorities and the other issue

2419
01:52:31,060 --> 01:52:28,160
here even if you don't find a crashed

2420
01:52:33,780 --> 01:52:31,070
ghost rocket shouldn't there be some

2421
01:52:36,189 --> 01:52:33,790
residue left in the water that could be

2422
01:52:39,220 --> 01:52:36,199
measured with a sample

2423
01:52:39,670 --> 01:52:39,230
well if 25 years later it's quite a big

2424
01:52:42,250 --> 01:52:39,680
leg

2425
01:52:46,390 --> 01:52:42,260
well what about more recent cases 35

2426
01:52:48,670 --> 01:52:46,400
years later yeah it's even 35 and uh I'm

2427
01:52:51,340 --> 01:52:48,680
not sure I mean if there is some sort of

2428
01:52:54,490 --> 01:52:51,350
fuel leaking from it of course you could

2429
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:54,500
see something but I mean it's a huge

2430
01:53:01,810 --> 01:52:57,920
amount of water a very small object if

2431
01:53:03,550 --> 01:53:01,820
it's nuclear yeah maybe them but I don't

2432
01:53:05,880 --> 01:53:03,560
think it's very easy to see that yeah

2433
01:53:08,620 --> 01:53:05,890
maybe maybe throw down some sort of

2434
01:53:10,750 --> 01:53:08,630
device that would be able to punch a

2435
01:53:13,060 --> 01:53:10,760
hole in it and bring up a sample of the

2436
01:53:16,420 --> 01:53:13,070
actual material if you could actually ID

2437
01:53:19,050 --> 01:53:16,430
the spot identify exactly where it is go

2438
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:19,060
ahead and do some core sample type

2439
01:53:24,189 --> 01:53:21,260
activity to try to pull some of the

2440
01:53:26,459 --> 01:53:24,199
material up or sorry I wouldn't do that

2441
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:26,469
because it could be something that could

2442
01:53:32,500 --> 01:53:30,560
also with a big bang no we are not going

2443
01:53:35,500 --> 01:53:32,510
to try to make a hole into it because we

2444
01:53:40,590 --> 01:53:35,510
don't really know what it is maybe if we

2445
01:53:47,350 --> 01:53:44,050
reservations are but I'm just

2446
01:53:50,170 --> 01:53:47,360
it sounds so exciting and it sounds like

2447
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:50,180
there's actual potential there for some

2448
01:53:58,510 --> 01:53:53,449
sort of recovery it is it is and this is

2449
01:54:01,900 --> 01:53:58,520
one of two legs that have the same kind

2450
01:54:05,890 --> 01:54:01,910
of navigating from the ghost rocket side

2451
01:54:08,050 --> 01:54:05,900
landing and sinking so we have another

2452
01:54:09,610 --> 01:54:08,060
one as well if we are not trying not

2453
01:54:11,650 --> 01:54:09,620
going to find this one we will try the

2454
01:54:13,470 --> 01:54:11,660
other leg as well but I don't think that

2455
01:54:15,970 --> 01:54:13,480
we can find something I don't think so

2456
01:54:20,290 --> 01:54:15,980
well there's nothing like physical

2457
01:54:22,750 --> 01:54:20,300
evidence to kind of set the hard-boiled

2458
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:22,760
debunkers back on their heels a little

2459
01:54:25,970 --> 01:54:23,370
bit

2460
01:54:30,430 --> 01:54:25,980
look you know let's open it up a little

2461
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:30,440
bit here and and look at the cultural

2462
01:54:37,100 --> 01:54:33,810
differences between Scandinavia Northern

2463
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:37,110
Europe and in possibly the u.s. or South

2464
01:54:42,620 --> 01:54:40,320
America how do you see people's

2465
01:54:46,670 --> 01:54:42,630
perceptions in their sub cultural

2466
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:46,680
context to be important in terms of the

2467
01:54:51,680 --> 01:54:48,840
differences between one group of

2468
01:54:54,110 --> 01:54:51,690
individuals in one culture in and other

2469
01:54:55,790 --> 01:54:54,120
individuals in another culture do you

2470
01:54:59,870 --> 01:54:55,800
think that there's like fertile ground

2471
01:55:01,970 --> 01:54:59,880
there sociologically to perhaps come up

2472
01:55:04,010 --> 01:55:01,980
with a a better idea of what we're

2473
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:04,020
dealing with based on the differences

2474
01:55:09,010 --> 01:55:05,520
that people have and how they perceive

2475
01:55:12,490 --> 01:55:09,020
these things the differences were maybe

2476
01:55:15,050 --> 01:55:12,500
bigger if you go back in time because

2477
01:55:16,670 --> 01:55:15,060
all the Hollywood movies and all the

2478
01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:16,680
literature coming from United States

2479
01:55:23,540 --> 01:55:19,890
have affected us so much that we are

2480
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:23,550
really dealing with quite the same mind

2481
01:55:31,130 --> 01:55:28,320
frame now as in America and in Sweden in

2482
01:55:35,480 --> 01:55:31,140
many ways and the Internet has of course

2483
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:35,490
made it even more like that people are

2484
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:38,370
reading what we do - and getting their

2485
01:55:44,810 --> 01:55:40,530
impressions not from what is writing

2486
01:55:47,420 --> 01:55:44,820
write it here in Sweden but from what

2487
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:47,430
they are seeing and reading on the

2488
01:55:52,010 --> 01:55:49,290
internet instead and most of it are in

2489
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:52,020
English and they are affected by that of

2490
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:53,370
course so I think the cultural

2491
01:55:57,790 --> 01:55:55,850
differences are not to speak anymore oh

2492
01:56:01,370 --> 01:55:57,800
that's unfortunate

2493
01:56:03,950 --> 01:56:01,380
yeah it's I think the term would be it's

2494
01:56:06,940 --> 01:56:03,960
becoming homogenized it's it's becoming

2495
01:56:09,650 --> 01:56:06,950
all the differences are kind of being

2496
01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:09,660
smoothed out and we're coming up with a

2497
01:56:15,890 --> 01:56:13,080
more of a global sense because of the

2498
01:56:17,540 --> 01:56:15,900
internet because of Hollywood well what

2499
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:17,550
are your feelings why do you think we

2500
01:56:22,250 --> 01:56:20,130
even have a UFO phenomenon in the

2501
01:56:24,830 --> 01:56:22,260
culture in terms of how people are

2502
01:56:27,410 --> 01:56:24,840
responding to it how it affects their

2503
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:27,420
beliefs do you think that we're dealing

2504
01:56:33,350 --> 01:56:30,330
with something physical that has these

2505
01:56:36,950 --> 01:56:33,360
effects or we're dealing in terms of the

2506
01:56:39,020 --> 01:56:36,960
importance or is it the very fact that P

2507
01:56:41,660 --> 01:56:39,030
believe this stuff that's important

2508
01:56:44,210 --> 01:56:41,670
where do you come down on that I think

2509
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:44,220
we do not need any physical to believe

2510
01:56:51,050 --> 01:56:46,320
in things I mean you can believe in God

2511
01:56:54,620 --> 01:56:51,060
you don't have any physical physical but

2512
01:56:56,780 --> 01:56:54,630
you say traces of him or that you can

2513
01:57:00,380 --> 01:56:56,790
believe in anything if you want and in

2514
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1946 no one speculated in ghosts Rockets

2515
01:57:05,390 --> 01:57:03,450
being extraterrestrial there is not the

2516
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:05,400
single article in the Swedish newspaper

2517
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:09,360
or a Norwegian newspaper except a woman

2518
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that is really mocking the ghost rockets

2519
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telling they all may be from Mars city

2520
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only article during 1946 let's put it

2521
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the break here let's go into that sort

2522
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of speculation and more we've got class

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Vaughn looking at ghost rockets from the

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2611
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you about that and that is that early on

2612
02:02:09,530 --> 02:02:07,770
we were in talking about spaceships now

2613
02:02:11,690 --> 02:02:09,540
is it possible here that the spaceship

2614
02:02:13,850 --> 02:02:11,700
talk was something that was more or less

2615
02:02:14,270 --> 02:02:13,860
generated by the speculation here in the

2616
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:14,280
States

2617
02:02:18,860 --> 02:02:17,130
yeah I think so I think we imported that

2618
02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:18,870
as many other things from from the

2619
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:22,110
United States and during the 1950's we

2620
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:24,810
dis minute arey had personnel that

2621
02:02:31,070 --> 02:02:27,330
worked full-time just to investigate

2622
02:02:31,940 --> 02:02:31,080
UFOs as a threat as something that were

2623
02:02:34,520 --> 02:02:31,950
a bonafide

2624
02:02:37,970 --> 02:02:34,530
threat just read them they of course

2625
02:02:41,240 --> 02:02:37,980
didn't believe they were aliens but they

2626
02:02:44,180 --> 02:02:41,250
were aware of people believing they were

2627
02:02:47,420 --> 02:02:44,190
aliens and I think we need that belief

2628
02:02:50,900 --> 02:02:47,430
it's something that humanity they really

2629
02:02:53,270 --> 02:02:50,910
are in need of the console we don't want

2630
02:02:57,140 --> 02:02:53,280
to be alone in the universe we want

2631
02:02:59,510 --> 02:02:57,150
there to be other beings like us or at

2632
02:03:01,550 --> 02:02:59,520
least little like us out there I do

2633
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:01,560
think that we are not alone in the

2634
02:03:07,160 --> 02:03:04,050
universe but can they travel here I'm

2635
02:03:09,710 --> 02:03:07,170
not sure at all would they even if they

2636
02:03:11,120 --> 02:03:09,720
could yeah I mean it's too late if they

2637
02:03:12,649 --> 02:03:11,130
are here maybe too late to turn around

2638
02:03:15,950 --> 02:03:12,659
so

2639
02:03:19,250 --> 02:03:15,960
well the whole belief in aliens I think

2640
02:03:22,280 --> 02:03:19,260
there's kind of a reverse angle here as

2641
02:03:24,709 --> 02:03:22,290
well I think we have to have a belief in

2642
02:03:27,290 --> 02:03:24,719
something out there in order to justify

2643
02:03:29,419 --> 02:03:27,300
or motivate us to get off planet before

2644
02:03:31,910 --> 02:03:29,429
the Sun goes supernova or we get hit by

2645
02:03:34,450 --> 02:03:31,920
an asteroid it's almost like the

2646
02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:34,460
dandelion waiting for the wind of

2647
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:37,050
opinion to blow so that or belief to

2648
02:03:41,930 --> 02:03:38,850
blow so that all the little seedlings

2649
02:03:45,050 --> 02:03:41,940
can go out into the cosmos and spread

2650
02:03:46,729 --> 02:03:45,060
the gene pool and spread our genetic

2651
02:03:50,810 --> 02:03:46,739
material out there before the the earth

2652
02:03:54,439 --> 02:03:50,820
is some sort of anecdote in in galactic

2653
02:03:56,600 --> 02:03:54,449
history yeah if you were young in the

2654
02:04:00,740 --> 02:03:56,610
1970s I was you would remember that

2655
02:04:03,770 --> 02:04:00,750
really no one believed in life out there

2656
02:04:05,450 --> 02:04:03,780
he didn't not on other planets Frank

2657
02:04:08,479 --> 02:04:05,460
Drake was one of the first rate

2658
02:04:12,110 --> 02:04:08,489
astronomers to really try to listen for

2659
02:04:15,290 --> 02:04:12,120
for messages and sending things out

2660
02:04:18,010 --> 02:04:15,300
there he was alone people were laughing

2661
02:04:20,390 --> 02:04:18,020
at him nobody believed that there were

2662
02:04:23,300 --> 02:04:20,400
earth-like hours out there but now

2663
02:04:25,990 --> 02:04:23,310
everyone does yeah we know I'm sure yeah

2664
02:04:30,020 --> 02:04:26,000
everyone so things have really changed

2665
02:04:33,709 --> 02:04:30,030
so much that ETS coming here is not

2666
02:04:35,810 --> 02:04:33,719
far-fetched to our minds anymore right

2667
02:04:38,419 --> 02:04:35,820
well what do you think of this latest

2668
02:04:42,590 --> 02:04:38,429
news story of finding this this strange

2669
02:04:45,410 --> 02:04:42,600
anomaly around it fairly close by star

2670
02:04:47,959 --> 02:04:45,420
it appears to be something someone

2671
02:04:50,330 --> 02:04:47,969
speculates something artificial I mean

2672
02:04:53,090 --> 02:04:50,340
the only thing we know it's normal it's

2673
02:04:55,250 --> 02:04:53,100
something there probably a planet the

2674
02:04:57,709 --> 02:04:55,260
rest is pure speculation and there is

2675
02:05:02,000 --> 02:04:57,719
not a shred of evidence that it's made

2676
02:05:03,740 --> 02:05:02,010
of anything else than just rocks lines

2677
02:05:05,419 --> 02:05:03,750
on line boy a lot of people are trying

2678
02:05:08,540 --> 02:05:05,429
to pump it up to be something that it's

2679
02:05:09,919 --> 02:05:08,550
very sensational so yeah I mean I've

2680
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:09,929
been reading and writing about it myself

2681
02:05:13,550 --> 02:05:11,850
I might my son is a journalist a

2682
02:05:16,640 --> 02:05:13,560
sorcerer is writing about it and we are

2683
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:16,650
trying to find anything that really is

2684
02:05:20,660 --> 02:05:19,170
saying that this is not just a rock but

2685
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:20,670
there is no evidence for it at all

2686
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:23,250
nothing he's just talk well what about

2687
02:05:26,879 --> 02:05:25,770
this emerging sense in the United States

2688
02:05:30,060 --> 02:05:26,889
people like Richard

2689
02:05:33,660 --> 02:05:30,070
and others have suggested that we have

2690
02:05:36,450 --> 02:05:33,670
some sort of secret space program or a

2691
02:05:39,870 --> 02:05:36,460
breakaway civilization that has left

2692
02:05:42,030 --> 02:05:39,880
forward by leaps and bounds in the black

2693
02:05:44,430 --> 02:05:42,040
world if you will the private sector and

2694
02:05:47,340 --> 02:05:44,440
that we have this this exalted

2695
02:05:48,870 --> 02:05:47,350
technology already perfected first of

2696
02:05:50,430 --> 02:05:48,880
all what do you think and then second of

2697
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:50,440
all what what do you think Europeans

2698
02:05:54,990 --> 02:05:52,330
think of the this type of thinking if

2699
02:05:58,140 --> 02:05:55,000
there were such a thing like a black

2700
02:05:58,680 --> 02:05:58,150
space program for going on for years and

2701
02:06:01,140 --> 02:05:58,690
years

2702
02:06:04,379 --> 02:06:01,150
Russia and China would of course know

2703
02:06:06,479 --> 02:06:04,389
about it and would they keep quiet I'm

2704
02:06:09,450 --> 02:06:06,489
not so sure I think it would have leaked

2705
02:06:10,290 --> 02:06:09,460
from China and Russia before from the

2706
02:06:13,020 --> 02:06:10,300
United States

2707
02:06:15,149 --> 02:06:13,030
I spoke into very many astronauts and

2708
02:06:17,010 --> 02:06:15,159
cosmonauts and spent quite a lot of time

2709
02:06:20,070 --> 02:06:17,020
with one of some other Apollo throughout

2710
02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:20,080
as well and they had nothing to say in

2711
02:06:24,899 --> 02:06:21,520
that direction and even I met with

2712
02:06:27,180 --> 02:06:24,909
admission for a full day in Switzerland

2713
02:06:29,490 --> 02:06:27,190
that he said believer really is a UFO

2714
02:06:30,149 --> 02:06:29,500
believer and he was born in Roswell New

2715
02:06:32,399 --> 02:06:30,159
Mexico

2716
02:06:34,140 --> 02:06:32,409
and he says to me that no one not a

2717
02:06:36,899 --> 02:06:34,150
single astronaut has seen anything in

2718
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:36,909
space that is remotely like a UFO I

2719
02:06:40,979 --> 02:06:39,010
don't think there is so much hidden from

2720
02:06:43,859 --> 02:06:40,989
us I went to Joost on a couple of years

2721
02:06:45,930 --> 02:06:43,869
ago comb through the the NASA archives

2722
02:06:48,450 --> 02:06:45,940
trying to find pictures from the moon

2723
02:06:50,060 --> 02:06:48,460
that were telling some different stories

2724
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:50,070
people are saying that they were

2725
02:06:55,530 --> 02:06:52,810
screened by UFOs and such things I

2726
02:06:58,260 --> 02:06:55,540
couldn't find anything no I don't think

2727
02:07:00,120 --> 02:06:58,270
there is a black hidden space program

2728
02:07:03,030 --> 02:07:00,130
there's not a shred of evidence for that

2729
02:07:05,240 --> 02:07:03,040
it says a lot about America I think a

2730
02:07:08,729 --> 02:07:05,250
lot about what people tend to believe in

2731
02:07:11,879 --> 02:07:08,739
wishful thinking yeah very much so very

2732
02:07:14,070 --> 02:07:11,889
much so it do you think that's a point

2733
02:07:17,220 --> 02:07:14,080
of view that's commonly held in Europe

2734
02:07:19,590 --> 02:07:17,230
and elsewhere outside the US or do you

2735
02:07:22,590 --> 02:07:19,600
think it do you still have a

2736
02:07:24,780 --> 02:07:22,600
conspiratorial I guess strata within the

2737
02:07:25,590 --> 02:07:24,790
culture that that accepts that as a

2738
02:07:28,740 --> 02:07:25,600
possibility

2739
02:07:31,439 --> 02:07:28,750
I mean conspiracy theorist or or common

2740
02:07:35,129 --> 02:07:31,449
here in Europe as well I I written books

2741
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:35,139
about conspiracies and I've studied a

2742
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:37,119
lot of those people believing in them

2743
02:07:42,770 --> 02:07:39,130
and creating them as well

2744
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:42,780
there is a there's a wave you can say

2745
02:07:49,290 --> 02:07:46,719
now through the internet mostly that you

2746
02:07:52,110 --> 02:07:49,300
can believe in whatever you want and you

2747
02:07:54,660 --> 02:07:52,120
don't believe in authorities authorities

2748
02:07:56,280 --> 02:07:54,670
are your enemy because they are doing

2749
02:07:57,540 --> 02:07:56,290
the bad things and they are taking your

2750
02:08:01,770 --> 02:07:57,550
money and they are doing things like

2751
02:08:05,430 --> 02:08:01,780
that so you don't buy into David Icke

2752
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:05,440
thinking that reptilians are really in

2753
02:08:11,010 --> 02:08:07,770
the world and the Queen of England does

2754
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:11,020
ritual blood sacrifice with with nubile

2755
02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:13,330
babies or that sort of thing not really

2756
02:08:17,430 --> 02:08:15,370
not really I think we know it's about

2757
02:08:26,640 --> 02:08:17,440
it's not that good-looking anymore she

2758
02:08:28,530 --> 02:08:26,650
was four okay well where do you where do

2759
02:08:31,439 --> 02:08:28,540
you see this whole field of ufology

2760
02:08:33,750 --> 02:08:31,449
going we've been lamenting the fact that

2761
02:08:38,060 --> 02:08:33,760
it seems to be withering on the vine and

2762
02:08:40,709 --> 02:08:38,070
as the older generation passes on we're

2763
02:08:43,919 --> 02:08:40,719
we're just the younger folks aren't as

2764
02:08:45,390 --> 02:08:43,929
motivated as maybe people that grew up

2765
02:08:50,580 --> 02:08:45,400
in the 40s and 50s

2766
02:08:52,530 --> 02:08:50,590
do you see any hope for you know the

2767
02:08:54,540 --> 02:08:52,540
type of approach that you're taking in a

2768
02:08:56,510 --> 02:08:54,550
type of approach that I'm trying to take

2769
02:08:59,520 --> 02:08:56,520
which is you know getting hard data

2770
02:09:02,430 --> 02:08:59,530
doing the kind of research into into

2771
02:09:04,379 --> 02:09:02,440
these you know subjects that needs to be

2772
02:09:05,580 --> 02:09:04,389
done do you think there's any hope do

2773
02:09:08,129 --> 02:09:05,590
you think everybody's just gonna have

2774
02:09:09,629 --> 02:09:08,139
decayed themselves into belief or do you

2775
02:09:11,550 --> 02:09:09,639
think there's gonna be a generation of

2776
02:09:15,060 --> 02:09:11,560
real hard workers they're using some

2777
02:09:18,840 --> 02:09:15,070
elbow grease as they say yeah what most

2778
02:09:21,300 --> 02:09:18,850
people really don't are aware of is that

2779
02:09:24,030 --> 02:09:21,310
there are two different kinds of your

2780
02:09:27,180 --> 02:09:24,040
follow G one that you see on TV and one

2781
02:09:30,450 --> 02:09:27,190
that is doing the hard work and not are

2782
02:09:32,430 --> 02:09:30,460
not on TV and programs like this I have

2783
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:32,440
contact with hundreds of people that are

2784
02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:35,199
doing the hard work like you are for

2785
02:09:41,850 --> 02:09:38,290
Sweden to us they are not seen in media

2786
02:09:45,540 --> 02:09:41,860
at all they are very good they are very

2787
02:09:47,610 --> 02:09:45,550
very neutral hard-working trying to find

2788
02:09:51,780 --> 02:09:47,620
the answer guys and girls

2789
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:51,790
but as you say not many new younger ones

2790
02:09:54,630 --> 02:09:52,690
or

2791
02:09:57,450 --> 02:09:54,640
are going that way they are usually

2792
02:10:00,540 --> 02:09:57,460
interested in reading and seeing stuff

2793
02:10:04,979 --> 02:10:00,550
on the internet and they look at UFOs as

2794
02:10:08,040 --> 02:10:04,989
some kind of pastime interest and yeah

2795
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:08,050
it's a difficult time I hope that we are

2796
02:10:12,300 --> 02:10:10,239
educating people here in Sweden as much

2797
02:10:14,729 --> 02:10:12,310
as we can so we can find those new ones

2798
02:10:16,530 --> 02:10:14,739
and we have they have quite quite a few

2799
02:10:18,090 --> 02:10:16,540
you see I want to get into something

2800
02:10:20,910 --> 02:10:18,100
about that in a moment our next segment

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02:12:45,569 --> 02:12:43,479
can believe what you were hearing you

2857
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trusted them how could you have not seen

2858
02:12:50,549 --> 02:12:48,099
the signs you felt betrayed outraged

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2860
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you then nothing and how they're talking

2861
02:12:58,379 --> 02:12:55,809
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2862
02:13:00,989 --> 02:12:58,389
then you forgotten but they haven't

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forget my name is Bill Bonner and I have

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struggling against an inevitable crisis

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but they're about to lose control when

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this happens it will rip our country

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where we shop to the family you want to

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protect look I've made predictions like

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this before a few years ago I warned

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02:13:35,819 --> 02:13:33,429
that the housing prices would collapse

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02:13:38,609 --> 02:13:35,829
before that I warned that dot-com

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02:13:40,500 --> 02:13:38,619
companies would crash and they did those

2878
02:13:42,899 --> 02:13:40,510
who listened had a chance to save

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02:13:44,879 --> 02:13:42,909
themselves but this has nothing to do

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with the stock market this will affect

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us all I've posted a free video at

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disagree with my conclusions but first

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2910
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2911
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- the Rendlesham UFO incident you're

2912
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listening to the podcast the gold

2913
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one of the things that we lament here in

2914
02:15:04,169 --> 02:15:02,409
the states is that when you attend a UFO

2915
02:15:07,379 --> 02:15:04,179
conference class fun

2916
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:07,389
more than likely than the vast majority

2917
02:15:12,930 --> 02:15:10,320
of people there are in our age group

2918
02:15:15,029 --> 02:15:12,940
mm-hmm yeah then the young people

2919
02:15:17,640 --> 02:15:15,039
they're going to UFO conventions they're

2920
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going to comic-con yeah yeah you're

2921
02:15:22,890 --> 02:15:19,960
right but they're also going out on the

2922
02:15:26,459 --> 02:15:22,900
internet reading about UFOs I wrote the

2923
02:15:30,959 --> 02:15:26,469
piece on my newspapers website just a

2924
02:15:33,689 --> 02:15:30,969
couple of weeks ago it was viewed by 105

2925
02:15:35,970 --> 02:15:33,699
thousand readers it was a film clip and

2926
02:15:38,339 --> 02:15:35,980
it was a story and that's a lot of

2927
02:15:41,459 --> 02:15:38,349
people for for us in sweida it's the one

2928
02:15:43,709 --> 02:15:41,469
of the five most viewed articles and

2929
02:15:47,399 --> 02:15:43,719
film clips in the history of our

2930
02:15:50,279 --> 02:15:47,409
newspaper it was about UFOs so people

2931
02:15:52,439 --> 02:15:50,289
are really interested if it's a good

2932
02:15:54,660 --> 02:15:52,449
information and its interest information

2933
02:15:56,850 --> 02:15:54,670
about things that are not just through

2934
02:15:58,859 --> 02:15:56,860
Chileans and stuff like conspiracies and

2935
02:16:01,080 --> 02:15:58,869
things like that so there's a huge

2936
02:16:02,459 --> 02:16:01,090
interest but people are not going to

2937
02:16:04,770 --> 02:16:02,469
conventions they're not going to

2938
02:16:06,720 --> 02:16:04,780
meetings they are not going out as much

2939
02:16:08,819 --> 02:16:06,730
as before they are sitting in front of

2940
02:16:10,200 --> 02:16:08,829
the computers doing their stuff well

2941
02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:10,210
that's good to know it looks like a lot

2942
02:16:14,700 --> 02:16:12,570
of people do research yeah these days

2943
02:16:17,310 --> 02:16:14,710
online they'll really sit down and

2944
02:16:18,839 --> 02:16:17,320
actually do research I read one popular

2945
02:16:19,919 --> 02:16:18,849
book I won't mention the author but

2946
02:16:22,020 --> 02:16:19,929
we're talking about something that's

2947
02:16:24,270 --> 02:16:22,030
really high up on the New York Times

2948
02:16:27,629 --> 02:16:24,280
bestseller list and there's a statement

2949
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:27,639
from the two authors that think vank the

2950
02:16:32,549 --> 02:16:29,530
internet for being able to check all

2951
02:16:35,129 --> 02:16:32,559
this books online through Google Books I

2952
02:16:36,839 --> 02:16:35,139
presume from the comfort of her home

2953
02:16:40,169 --> 02:16:36,849
offices they don't go out and do

2954
02:16:43,379 --> 02:16:40,179
research they just copy/paste yeah yeah

2955
02:16:44,879 --> 02:16:43,389
yeah I mean it's good and not good I

2956
02:16:47,639 --> 02:16:44,889
mean it's very good to have all this

2957
02:16:50,009 --> 02:16:47,649
information at your fingertips that's

2958
02:16:52,860 --> 02:16:50,019
great I don't have to go all across the

2959
02:16:55,950 --> 02:16:52,870
world to find things but of course you

2960
02:16:58,110 --> 02:16:55,960
must go around the world to do some sort

2961
02:17:01,230 --> 02:16:58,120
of research to really do the hard work

2962
02:17:02,639 --> 02:17:01,240
with your boots on no I I think people

2963
02:17:04,679 --> 02:17:02,649
should do that they should leave their

2964
02:17:08,550 --> 02:17:04,689
house is to meet the witnesses to go to

2965
02:17:11,010 --> 02:17:08,560
the archives and dig for themselves

2966
02:17:12,900 --> 02:17:11,020
so you can't just out of their armchairs

2967
02:17:15,510 --> 02:17:12,910
right you can't just call up the

2968
02:17:17,700 --> 02:17:15,520
witnesses on the phone or Skype how we

2969
02:17:20,450 --> 02:17:17,710
do that but if it's interesting enough

2970
02:17:23,340 --> 02:17:20,460
we go there I had an observation coming

2971
02:17:26,610 --> 02:17:23,350
into your first read and this year it

2972
02:17:29,550 --> 02:17:26,620
was made in 2010 but if they reported it

2973
02:17:31,590 --> 02:17:29,560
this year it's the other end of Sweden

2974
02:17:33,750 --> 02:17:31,600
but I went there because it was very

2975
02:17:35,790 --> 02:17:33,760
interesting because I wanted to meet

2976
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:35,800
with the witnesses hi - hi - go to the

2977
02:17:42,930 --> 02:17:39,370
very very place where it happened to see

2978
02:17:45,570 --> 02:17:42,940
for myself to get the feeling how high

2979
02:17:48,720 --> 02:17:45,580
were the trees was it possible to see do

2980
02:17:51,750 --> 02:17:48,730
we like that and so on and so on you

2981
02:17:54,450 --> 02:17:51,760
must do that yeah well I did back in the

2982
02:17:58,110 --> 02:17:54,460
90s I put 300,000 miles on my truck in

2983
02:18:00,600 --> 02:17:58,120
less than six years transmission shop

2984
02:18:05,970 --> 02:18:00,610
down the street just loved him for all

2985
02:18:07,950 --> 02:18:05,980
that business you got it you know you

2986
02:18:09,660 --> 02:18:07,960
got to talk the talk I guess but you

2987
02:18:12,030 --> 02:18:09,670
also have to walk the walk and you have

2988
02:18:13,770 --> 02:18:12,040
to put in the time I mean it's you know

2989
02:18:16,140 --> 02:18:13,780
face to face encounters on-site

2990
02:18:18,570 --> 02:18:16,150
investigations actually walking through

2991
02:18:20,280 --> 02:18:18,580
the site with people there's no

2992
02:18:21,810 --> 02:18:20,290
substitute for that you can't do that on

2993
02:18:23,880 --> 02:18:21,820
the phone you can't do that

2994
02:18:25,740 --> 02:18:23,890
through an email you can't do it on

2995
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:25,750
skype but it just doesn't work that way

2996
02:18:32,430 --> 02:18:29,770
soon it will be more effective to at

2997
02:18:34,560 --> 02:18:32,440
least utilize that tool in our tube tool

2998
02:18:36,810 --> 02:18:34,570
bag because there are some cases that

2999
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:36,820
that are too far away we're dealing with

3000
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:39,130
limited budgets here and you know if I

3001
02:18:43,320 --> 02:18:42,010
have to travel 250 300 miles and I've

3002
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,330
got a busy life that's gonna be

3003
02:18:48,570 --> 02:18:45,280
difficult but you know I'm semi-retired

3004
02:18:50,160 --> 02:18:48,580
now from all that I I put in my my work

3005
02:18:52,230 --> 02:18:50,170
in the trenches and I'm I'm just

3006
02:18:54,810 --> 02:18:52,240
lamenting the fact that we don't have

3007
02:18:57,930 --> 02:18:54,820
more motivated young people that are

3008
02:19:00,750 --> 02:18:57,940
willing to to actually do the work in a

3009
02:19:03,450 --> 02:19:00,760
proper fashion and in a in a real

3010
02:19:06,420 --> 02:19:03,460
complete fashion I you know I think it's

3011
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:06,430
really important for us older set

3012
02:19:11,070 --> 02:19:08,890
individuals to attempt somehow to

3013
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:11,080
motivate the the up-and-coming

3014
02:19:16,380 --> 02:19:13,930
generation to you know really you know

3015
02:19:19,050 --> 02:19:16,390
take the baton and toting that thing

3016
02:19:20,940 --> 02:19:19,060
around the track yeah we are going

3017
02:19:21,750 --> 02:19:20,950
around a track it seems like we're going

3018
02:19:23,970 --> 02:19:21,760
around in circle

3019
02:19:26,400 --> 02:19:23,980
most of the time but you know three

3020
02:19:28,980 --> 02:19:26,410
steps forward two steps back one of the

3021
02:19:32,940 --> 02:19:28,990
things you really do have to bring your

3022
02:19:35,640 --> 02:19:32,950
own legs to do is to go to find those

3023
02:19:38,701 --> 02:19:35,650
stuff for the archives I mean we are

3024
02:19:41,220 --> 02:19:38,711
saving books and fines all the time

3025
02:19:44,430 --> 02:19:41,230
mostly for Europe but also from America

3026
02:19:47,581 --> 02:19:44,440
I go to England every year I Drive 8,000

3027
02:19:52,890 --> 02:19:47,591
miles for in one week they're going

3028
02:19:56,400 --> 02:19:52,900
around England saving saving 4,000

3029
02:19:59,190 --> 02:19:56,410
pounds every year of stuff to bring back

3030
02:19:59,520 --> 02:19:59,200
to the archives and also for the last 15

3031
02:20:02,671 --> 02:19:59,530
years

3032
02:20:05,131 --> 02:20:02,681
you cannot just call people and say can

3033
02:20:06,871 --> 02:20:05,141
you send it to me they will do it you

3034
02:20:08,911 --> 02:20:06,881
must go there you must get to learn them

3035
02:20:11,701 --> 02:20:08,921
you must get to know them one question

3036
02:20:14,341 --> 02:20:11,711
then that arises what about coordination

3037
02:20:15,001 --> 02:20:14,351
with other UFO organizations again here

3038
02:20:17,011 --> 02:20:15,011
in the States

3039
02:20:19,411 --> 02:20:17,021
you know we have a lot of backbiting one

3040
02:20:21,930 --> 02:20:19,421
organization doesn't like another air

3041
02:20:24,570 --> 02:20:21,940
personality conflicts do you reach out

3042
02:20:27,240 --> 02:20:24,580
to UFO research organizations around

3043
02:20:30,470 --> 02:20:27,250
Europe and other parts of the world to

3044
02:20:33,511 --> 02:20:30,480
share information yeah we do that and I

3045
02:20:35,430 --> 02:20:33,521
visited the the Finnish UFO research

3046
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:35,440
organization when they had a meeting in

3047
02:20:40,261 --> 02:20:38,080
Tallinn in in Estonia a couple of weeks

3048
02:20:43,201 --> 02:20:40,271
ago I went there and gave his speak

3049
02:20:45,930 --> 02:20:43,211
speech to them and we had a couple of

3050
02:20:47,940 --> 02:20:45,940
hours sitting down we work together with

3051
02:20:50,911 --> 02:20:47,950
the Norway and Denmark of course as much

3052
02:20:54,001 --> 02:20:50,921
as we can but we also work together with

3053
02:20:56,011 --> 02:20:54,011
loads of other people and organizations

3054
02:20:59,011 --> 02:20:56,021
all around the world all the time

3055
02:21:02,690 --> 02:20:59,021
especially through the AFU the archives

3056
02:21:05,371 --> 02:21:02,700
because we are so we are so dependent on

3057
02:21:07,051 --> 02:21:05,381
sharing information with them to get new

3058
02:21:07,381 --> 02:21:07,061
information to us so we do that all the

3059
02:21:12,720 --> 02:21:07,391
time

3060
02:21:15,331 --> 02:21:12,730
Chris and I have been at it for an awful

3061
02:21:17,730 --> 02:21:15,341
long time do you feel at any point here

3062
02:21:19,320 --> 02:21:17,740
that we'll ever get a real answer or is

3063
02:21:22,081 --> 02:21:19,330
this the kind of quest that's just going

3064
02:21:25,320 --> 02:21:22,091
to go on and on from generation to

3065
02:21:27,720 --> 02:21:25,330
generation with no end that's - wowzers

3066
02:21:31,171 --> 02:21:27,730
- that really I mean if I look back in

3067
02:21:33,801 --> 02:21:31,181
1974 when I started I know so much more

3068
02:21:35,700 --> 02:21:33,811
today so I've gotten got so many answers

3069
02:21:38,820 --> 02:21:35,710
the last 40 years

3070
02:21:43,080 --> 02:21:38,830
but not every answer of course there is

3071
02:21:47,000 --> 02:21:43,090
always is some cases some stories some

3072
02:21:50,280 --> 02:21:47,010
happenings that will be unanswered

3073
02:21:52,620 --> 02:21:50,290
always that's the way we are we're

3074
02:21:56,400 --> 02:21:52,630
dealing with human beings so this is

3075
02:21:59,400 --> 02:21:56,410
where we're wired yeah so I think we

3076
02:22:01,469 --> 02:21:59,410
will have work to do in hundred years

3077
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:01,479
from now as well yeah yeah we need

3078
02:22:05,190 --> 02:22:03,130
something to motivate us to keep us

3079
02:22:07,290 --> 02:22:05,200
working so we can't get all the answers

3080
02:22:09,060 --> 02:22:07,300
or we wouldn't bother looking well maybe

3081
02:22:11,969 --> 02:22:09,070
that's what the phenomenon is here for a

3082
02:22:13,740 --> 02:22:11,979
spur us on it may be like that if you're

3083
02:22:17,010 --> 02:22:13,750
thinking in that direction of course

3084
02:22:19,980 --> 02:22:17,020
yeah and it may be so that we need this

3085
02:22:22,530 --> 02:22:19,990
for our own sake if it's the phenomenon

3086
02:22:25,200 --> 02:22:22,540
or not it really doesn't better we need

3087
02:22:27,330 --> 02:22:25,210
it anyway indeed and we always have to

3088
02:22:29,490 --> 02:22:27,340
hope that it will have an endgame or

3089
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:29,500
maybe it's going to morph into the next

3090
02:22:33,690 --> 02:22:31,690
cultural phenomenon yeah I mean

3091
02:22:37,260 --> 02:22:33,700
something will happen of course it's

3092
02:22:41,219 --> 02:22:37,270
been happening since 1896 it's been

3093
02:22:43,500 --> 02:22:41,229
transforming in our minds maybe in the

3094
02:22:46,200 --> 02:22:43,510
physical sense as well it's very hard to

3095
02:22:47,820 --> 02:22:46,210
tell sometimes now well returning back

3096
02:22:49,830 --> 02:22:47,830
to ghost rockets very quickly and we

3097
02:22:53,460 --> 02:22:49,840
have one more segment after this so this

3098
02:22:55,940 --> 02:22:53,470
has just flown away it's gotten past us

3099
02:22:58,170 --> 02:22:55,950
the show has moved so fast and that is

3100
02:23:01,290 --> 02:22:58,180
do we have some photographs of ghost

3101
02:23:04,530 --> 02:23:01,300
rockets we could look at there is only

3102
02:23:07,320 --> 02:23:04,540
one picture of a ghost rocket and that

3103
02:23:11,550 --> 02:23:07,330
is not all the ghost rocket but there is

3104
02:23:15,210 --> 02:23:11,560
the only picture taken in 1946 and it

3105
02:23:18,570 --> 02:23:15,220
was taken by a man in Uppsala north of

3106
02:23:21,900 --> 02:23:18,580
Stockholm it was published all over the

3107
02:23:24,480 --> 02:23:21,910
world it's just a streak of light in the

3108
02:23:27,300 --> 02:23:24,490
sky it was taken in broad daylight

3109
02:23:29,130 --> 02:23:27,310
and it was seen by hundreds and hundreds

3110
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:29,140
maybe thousands and thousands of people

3111
02:23:34,380 --> 02:23:31,650
and it has today they like meet your

3112
02:23:36,330 --> 02:23:34,390
okay it was daylight meteor so it wasn't

3113
02:23:38,760 --> 02:23:36,340
a ghost rocket at all no but the only

3114
02:23:40,920 --> 02:23:38,770
one really published as a ghost rocket

3115
02:23:44,130 --> 02:23:40,930
toaster now that's of course what the

3116
02:23:46,740 --> 02:23:44,140
skeptics will assert here that after all

3117
02:23:49,649 --> 02:23:46,750
these years we only have a small number

3118
02:23:51,689 --> 02:23:49,659
of UFO photos that may or may not pass

3119
02:23:55,619 --> 02:23:51,699
muster most are just streaks in the sky

3120
02:23:58,619 --> 02:23:55,629
or things easily faked where is the

3121
02:24:02,519 --> 02:23:58,629
solid evidence to go on for the large

3122
02:24:04,709 --> 02:24:02,529
part it's mostly anecdotal and we have

3123
02:24:06,779 --> 02:24:04,719
the same sightings or similar sightings

3124
02:24:08,130 --> 02:24:06,789
year after year where do we get to the

3125
02:24:10,079 --> 02:24:08,140
next step and how do you prove to

3126
02:24:12,899 --> 02:24:10,089
skeptics that there's a real phenomenon

3127
02:24:15,539 --> 02:24:12,909
and just not people making things up or

3128
02:24:17,969 --> 02:24:15,549
seeing conventional objects in unusual

3129
02:24:20,699 --> 02:24:17,979
circumstances the answer will come in

3130
02:24:28,090 --> 02:24:20,709
our next segment with class Fon and Jean

3131
02:24:28,100 --> 02:24:31,410
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02:28:47,420 --> 02:28:45,559
this is Micah Hanks to the graylien

3234
02:28:49,490 --> 02:28:47,430
report and you're listening to the para

3235
02:28:50,190 --> 02:28:49,500
cast the gold standard of paranormal

3236
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radio

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02:29:00,410 --> 02:28:57,590
[Music]

3238
02:29:02,810 --> 02:29:00,420
the typical skeptics argument costs

3239
02:29:06,860 --> 02:29:02,820
what's your response I think we must ask

3240
02:29:09,710 --> 02:29:06,870
ourselves why isn't there more very good

3241
02:29:11,860 --> 02:29:09,720
pictures of UFOs everyone is carrying

3242
02:29:14,900 --> 02:29:11,870
with the camera in their pocket today

3243
02:29:17,420 --> 02:29:14,910
everyone and the quality of the cameras

3244
02:29:21,010 --> 02:29:17,430
is superb I just saw one article

3245
02:29:25,960 --> 02:29:21,020
comparing the new iPhone 6s camera with

3246
02:29:28,580 --> 02:29:25,970
high-end 4k digital single-lens reflex

3247
02:29:30,920 --> 02:29:28,590
cameras and except for really extreme

3248
02:29:32,390 --> 02:29:30,930
circumstances it's almost as good you

3249
02:29:35,060 --> 02:29:32,400
can make movies with it commercial

3250
02:29:38,420 --> 02:29:35,070
movies yeah it's incredible really and

3251
02:29:40,850 --> 02:29:38,430
we should get very very good pictures I

3252
02:29:43,460 --> 02:29:40,860
mean look back in the 1950s George

3253
02:29:46,219 --> 02:29:43,470
Adamski Daniel Frye all of those guys

3254
02:29:49,100 --> 02:29:46,229
they took pictures of crafts in this guy

3255
02:29:51,140 --> 02:29:49,110
it was not the problem seeing them now

3256
02:29:53,330 --> 02:29:51,150
forget the pictures of dots of light

3257
02:29:55,969 --> 02:29:53,340
that we are hard to find in the picture

3258
02:29:57,770 --> 02:29:55,979
yeah but those things were garbage cans

3259
02:30:00,230 --> 02:29:57,780
or a of course for me but they were good

3260
02:30:01,940 --> 02:30:00,240
pictures excellent pictures of garbage

3261
02:30:04,360 --> 02:30:01,950
cans or if you're just holding an object

3262
02:30:06,770 --> 02:30:04,370
in the air perfect of course now we have

3263
02:30:09,320 --> 02:30:06,780
CGI we don't need to have the object

3264
02:30:11,360 --> 02:30:09,330
held by the wire anymore they just use

3265
02:30:15,860 --> 02:30:11,370
the wires now for people who appear in

3266
02:30:19,370 --> 02:30:15,870
superhero TV shows come to me this says

3267
02:30:22,190 --> 02:30:19,380
that the real UFO phenomenon is very

3268
02:30:25,460 --> 02:30:22,200
very scarce there may be a couple of

3269
02:30:26,030 --> 02:30:25,470
cases in your country like Sweden every

3270
02:30:28,700 --> 02:30:26,040
year

3271
02:30:31,490 --> 02:30:28,710
that we have we're not able to find a

3272
02:30:33,950 --> 02:30:31,500
solution to so taking pictures of it is

3273
02:30:36,730 --> 02:30:33,960
of course not not very easy to do I

3274
02:30:39,740 --> 02:30:36,740
think we are dealing with some sort of

3275
02:30:42,679 --> 02:30:39,750
phenomenon there may have its solution

3276
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:42,689
some unusual natural phenomenon for a

3277
02:30:49,550 --> 02:30:46,800
part some of it may be military we don't

3278
02:30:52,730 --> 02:30:49,560
know and some of it we still do not have

3279
02:30:54,920 --> 02:30:52,740
any any solution to I mean I've been

3280
02:30:57,080 --> 02:30:54,930
investigating ball lightning there's one

3281
02:31:00,440 --> 02:30:57,090
of this very strange bona fide

3282
02:31:03,310 --> 02:31:00,450
scientific enigmas we have to deal with

3283
02:31:06,050 --> 02:31:03,320
and a ball lightning can be so strange

3284
02:31:10,910 --> 02:31:06,060
that you cannot distinguish it between

3285
02:31:12,980 --> 02:31:10,920
the UFO or or or this really scientific

3286
02:31:15,740 --> 02:31:12,990
enigma let me ask you another question

3287
02:31:17,929 --> 02:31:15,750
here related to this and that is in our

3288
02:31:20,179 --> 02:31:17,939
discussions here on the power castes we

3289
02:31:24,770 --> 02:31:20,189
quite often look for relationships

3290
02:31:27,230 --> 02:31:24,780
between UFOs and other phenomena we talk

3291
02:31:29,330 --> 02:31:27,240
about Bigfoot and other events strange

3292
02:31:31,429 --> 02:31:29,340
creatures do you feel there is any

3293
02:31:33,950 --> 02:31:31,439
connection with any of this or the UFOs

3294
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:33,960
stand by themselves if we look at the

3295
02:31:38,810 --> 02:31:36,810
aliens if I call them that I mean I

3296
02:31:43,610 --> 02:31:38,820
cannot see any difference between people

3297
02:31:46,010 --> 02:31:43,620
who are seeing aliens Virgin Mary trolls

3298
02:31:48,560 --> 02:31:46,020
I mean other creatures it's really in

3299
02:31:51,440 --> 02:31:48,570
the mind of the beholder what they are

3300
02:31:54,130 --> 02:31:51,450
deciphering what they are seeing what

3301
02:31:56,570 --> 02:31:54,140
they are calling what they are seeing so

3302
02:31:59,080 --> 02:31:56,580
there is a connection but maybe on the

3303
02:32:01,400 --> 02:31:59,090
level that's inside our minds more than

3304
02:32:04,070 --> 02:32:01,410
outside the minds so hope you I mean

3305
02:32:08,870 --> 02:32:04,080
I've been in inside the church when one

3306
02:32:12,830 --> 02:32:08,880
of those apparitions appeared with 2,000

3307
02:32:15,500 --> 02:32:12,840
people there and me and many of them so

3308
02:32:18,170 --> 02:32:15,510
Virgin Mary appear in the church I

3309
02:32:19,820 --> 02:32:18,180
couldn't see her I made you wait a

3310
02:32:21,770 --> 02:32:19,830
minute that's a very important point I

3311
02:32:23,719 --> 02:32:21,780
wanted to bring that up

3312
02:32:25,490 --> 02:32:23,729
the fact is here that you can put a

3313
02:32:28,670 --> 02:32:25,500
bunch of people in the same place and

3314
02:32:29,780 --> 02:32:28,680
not everyone sees what's there certainly

3315
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:29,790
you think that if it's a physical

3316
02:32:34,100 --> 02:32:31,920
aircraft they would all see it if they

3317
02:32:36,410 --> 02:32:34,110
have normal vision and they're looking

3318
02:32:38,360 --> 02:32:36,420
in the right place mmm and that's what

3319
02:32:40,340 --> 02:32:38,370
happens when you see a ghost rocket if

3320
02:32:44,179 --> 02:32:40,350
there are five people looking they all

3321
02:32:46,850 --> 02:32:44,189
see it it's not discussion about they

3322
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:46,860
have seen it afterwards so that is also

3323
02:32:50,500 --> 02:32:48,810
one of the aspects of the ghost rockets

3324
02:32:53,330 --> 02:32:50,510
that make me think of it as a physical

3325
02:32:56,660 --> 02:32:53,340
phenomenon seeing Virgin Mary is

3326
02:32:58,219 --> 02:32:56,670
something completely different and so

3327
02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:58,229
many people saw her and some of them

3328
02:33:04,219 --> 02:33:00,960
took pictures over as well that the

3329
02:33:06,080 --> 02:33:04,229
pictures were of other things that could

3330
02:33:08,060 --> 02:33:06,090
see I could tell them they were off the

3331
02:33:11,600 --> 02:33:08,070
books but at the moment it happened

3332
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:11,610
everyone believed that she was there but

3333
02:33:15,620 --> 02:33:13,770
not everyone sees it what are they

3334
02:33:18,469 --> 02:33:15,630
seeing or are they seeing anything

3335
02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:18,479
external well it's the power belief I

3336
02:33:22,750 --> 02:33:21,330
mean the mind can can confabulate all

3337
02:33:25,510 --> 02:33:22,760
sorts of things

3338
02:33:27,340 --> 02:33:25,520
if the the sense of belief and the the

3339
02:33:29,050 --> 02:33:27,350
willfulness is strong enough you're able

3340
02:33:31,960 --> 02:33:29,060
to manifest all kinds of things in your

3341
02:33:34,600 --> 02:33:31,970
brain even possibly in reality that's

3342
02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:34,610
why I think a lot of these phenomenal

3343
02:33:41,020 --> 02:33:38,090
events the the actual event is real but

3344
02:33:43,900 --> 02:33:41,030
we put the details we fill in the blanks

3345
02:33:46,210 --> 02:33:43,910
we create the the wondrousness of it

3346
02:33:48,610 --> 02:33:46,220
it's almost like a blank canvas flying

3347
02:33:50,620 --> 02:33:48,620
through the air or walking through the

3348
02:33:52,420 --> 02:33:50,630
woods and then we are the ones that put

3349
02:33:56,410 --> 02:33:52,430
the sketch on it based on our

3350
02:33:57,910 --> 02:33:56,420
preconceived programming culturally you

3351
02:33:59,950 --> 02:33:57,920
know the things that we we want to

3352
02:34:02,610 --> 02:33:59,960
believe there's this symbiotic

3353
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:02,620
relationship with the phenomenon that if

3354
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:05,210
this potential connection does not get

3355
02:34:09,570 --> 02:34:07,610
looked at in my view because we human

3356
02:34:12,580 --> 02:34:09,580
beings need to make the world

3357
02:34:15,150 --> 02:34:12,590
understandable and we are not made to

3358
02:34:18,219 --> 02:34:15,160
deal with the unknown because if we are

3359
02:34:21,490 --> 02:34:18,229
walking around the world that we doesn't

3360
02:34:23,500 --> 02:34:21,500
understand it will make us make us crazy

3361
02:34:26,560 --> 02:34:23,510
in them so we need to put things

3362
02:34:28,900 --> 02:34:26,570
together even if they are not for real I

3363
02:34:31,540 --> 02:34:28,910
work quite a lot with witness

3364
02:34:34,840 --> 02:34:31,550
psychologists and and looked at the

3365
02:34:37,210 --> 02:34:34,850
police surveillance cameras during a

3366
02:34:39,700 --> 02:34:37,220
bank robbery and when you interview the

3367
02:34:41,650 --> 02:34:39,710
witnesses the police investigator tells

3368
02:34:44,469 --> 02:34:41,660
me sometimes they think that they have

3369
02:34:46,540 --> 02:34:44,479
mixed up the bank robbery with another

3370
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:46,550
bank robbery because what you see on the

3371
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:48,410
screen and what you hear from the

3372
02:34:52,810 --> 02:34:50,810
witness are so different that they must

3373
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:52,820
be two different occasions but they are

3374
02:34:56,469 --> 02:34:54,410
not because there are people under

3375
02:34:59,770 --> 02:34:56,479
pressure they see things that they do

3376
02:35:02,020 --> 02:34:59,780
not really see for real you wonder then

3377
02:35:04,780 --> 02:35:02,030
when you go into a court of law and you

3378
02:35:07,200 --> 02:35:04,790
convict people of serious crimes like

3379
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:07,210
robbery murder based on eyewitness

3380
02:35:12,190 --> 02:35:09,770
testimony and mostly eyewitness

3381
02:35:14,260 --> 02:35:12,200
testimony that's thoroughly thoroughly

3382
02:35:17,620 --> 02:35:14,270
unreliable if you don't have proper

3383
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:17,630
forensic evidence yeah really a lot of

3384
02:35:21,850 --> 02:35:19,520
people convicted for things they didn't

3385
02:35:24,730 --> 02:35:21,860
do your so many examples in the United

3386
02:35:25,810 --> 02:35:24,740
States the DNA has shown that the

3387
02:35:27,730 --> 02:35:25,820
verdict was wrong

3388
02:35:29,950 --> 02:35:27,740
and of course takes us back to the

3389
02:35:32,620 --> 02:35:29,960
Innocence Project which is a nonprofit

3390
02:35:34,750 --> 02:35:32,630
organization that takes on a number of

3391
02:35:36,161 --> 02:35:34,760
cases every year where they feel that

3392
02:35:39,001 --> 02:35:36,171
somebody was wrongly

3393
02:35:42,101 --> 02:35:39,011
convicted of something yeah that also

3394
02:35:43,811 --> 02:35:42,111
goes to the problem in getting proper

3395
02:35:46,081 --> 02:35:43,821
UFO evidence because if we're dealing

3396
02:35:48,551 --> 02:35:46,091
with something that number one is seen

3397
02:35:51,101 --> 02:35:48,561
unexpectedly so people aren't prepared

3398
02:35:52,781 --> 02:35:51,111
to see it there is a lot of distortion

3399
02:35:55,061 --> 02:35:52,791
in the eyewitness accounts who may have

3400
02:35:57,191 --> 02:35:55,071
these rare events where things are

3401
02:35:58,811 --> 02:35:57,201
happening but people either see it or

3402
02:36:01,151 --> 02:35:58,821
don't see it or see something different

3403
02:36:02,201 --> 02:36:01,161
and I'm getting down to an objective

3404
02:36:04,871 --> 02:36:02,211
phenomenon

3405
02:36:06,521 --> 02:36:04,881
I don't know classifying would you tell

3406
02:36:07,781 --> 02:36:06,531
our listeners again and where they can

3407
02:36:09,851 --> 02:36:07,791
get more information about the

3408
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3409
02:36:16,211 --> 02:36:13,821
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3410
02:36:18,671 --> 02:36:16,221
which is our Swedish website went also

3411
02:36:21,461 --> 02:36:18,681
some English web pages and you can go to

3412
02:36:23,051 --> 02:36:21,471
a fu doctor see our case for the

3413
02:36:25,571 --> 02:36:23,061
unexplained doctor see where you can

3414
02:36:27,581 --> 02:36:25,581
find the in English information about

3415
02:36:30,041 --> 02:36:27,591
the largest archives in the world about

3416
02:36:32,771 --> 02:36:30,051
UFOs on the paranormal that's the main

3417
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pages and a ghost rockets Facebook site

3418
02:36:37,001 --> 02:36:34,761
which I recommend it's also in English

3419
02:36:39,311 --> 02:36:37,011
there is a lot of information about the

3420
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ghost rocket film and about the research

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3427
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3428
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3429
02:37:01,271 --> 02:36:59,061
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3430
02:37:05,801 --> 02:37:01,281
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3431
02:37:07,930 --> 02:37:05,811
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3432
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I think one's the club ones a group

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3434
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if we merge them one disappears I'd

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the show thanks for joining us in the

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para cast thanks a lot it was a nice two

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the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

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and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

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presentation of making the impossible